88Comrade2000 Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 That’s why despite all this Trump is still the favorite. He just needs: 1. The economy to be rebounding in October. 2. The coronavirus under control. If there’s a 2nd wave in the fall, the government has it under control and isn’t having the devastating impact the first wave is. No one really likes Joe. That’s why he needs a Veep to help bring enthusiasm to his ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 15% sounds about right. Biden easily covers the gap by drawing in moderates, tho. Bold prediction. if Bernie doesn’t get out ahead of this and start driving his base to support Biden and we end up with 4 more years of Trump...that will be the death of the left in the US in our lifetimes. Self-immolated and completely squashed for 40-50 years or more. That will be the legacy of the Bros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, spjunkies said: Truth be told I feel like a large amount of the "Bernie bros" are Republicans anyway so that does not surprise me at all. Bernie supporters/voters, yes, possibly. Bernie "Bros", no. The hardcore, 'Bernie is our savior', 'no one else can save the country' Sanders guys aren't Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rdskns2000 said: No one really likes Joe. That’s why he needs a Veep to help bring enthusiasm to his ticket. Lol. Lots of people like Joe. It’s why he is destroying Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 The BernieBro fantasy is that Bernie Sanders, who could not win a primary consisting of left leaning voters, would DESTROY!!! Trump in an election. I don’t care for Biden as a candidate. I don’t care for Bernie even more at this point. But it’s absolutely true that a huge impediment to Bernie is his inability to form a big tent coalition and the insanity of his core constituency has a lot to do with it. You can’t simultaneously call people snakes and closet Republicans, and then except them to show up and vote for your candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I haven’t read up on the allegations against Biden. What’s the take here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Good explanation of the yacht tax. It’s not an unreasonable policy. https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-yacht-tax-new-york-20150414-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 23 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Who votes for the polar opposite because their person lost...again? There's a portion of Bernie's base that is anti-establishment, regardless of who they end up voting for. It's the reason why there were many Bernie supporters voted for Trump last time. Then there is the personality cult part of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Just wondering today whether the cancellation of primaries is causing Bernie to stick around longer, because as long as there's no voting, Biden can't widen his lead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Busch1724 said: There's a portion of Bernie's base that is anti-establishment, regardless of who they end up voting for. It's the reason why there were many Bernie supporters voted for Trump last time. Then there is the personality cult part of this. Exactly. The personality cult makes sense because, although Trump and Bernie are on opposite sides of the political spectrum, they have A LOT of similarities too. Lots of demagoguery, lots of telling people that they are getting screwed by others (Trump/immigrants and the deep state, Bernie/corporate interests and rich people, both of them/"the establishment"), unrealistic solutions for those problems that sound good if one is detached from reality, lots of claims of "telling it like it is," lots of stoking a lunatic online base, lots of misogyny, very little pragmatism or expertise and a contempt for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Busch1724 said: There's a portion of Bernie's base that is anti-establishment, regardless of who they end up voting for. It's the reason why there were many Bernie supporters voted for Trump last time. Then there is the personality cult part of this. Glad you put it this way, makes this make more sense as anti-establishment that's either left or right, not just Trump or Bernie. Expecting some to fall for cult personalities basically makes the next Trump or Bernie inevitable, whether they get elected or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 12:23 PM, PleaseBlitz said: Lol. Lots of people like Joe. It’s why he is destroying Bernie. Rdskns2000 is right. from the article Evil posted - Quote Biden consolidates support, but trails badly in enthusiasm: Poll Former Vice President Joe Biden has emerged as Democrats’ top choice for the presidential nomination in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, but with only bare majority support within his party and a massive enthusiasm gap in a November matchup against President Donald Trump. Indeed, strong enthusiasm for Biden among his supporters – at just 24% – is the lowest on record for a Democratic presidential candidate in 20 years of ABC/Post polls. More than twice as many of Trump’s supporters are highly enthusiastic about supporting him, 53%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, grego said: Rdskns2000 is right. from the article Evil posted - No, he's not. If nobody liked Biden, he wouldn't be crushing Bernie, which he is. *Points to scoreboard.* You are confusing love with like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: No, he's not. If nobody liked Biden, he wouldn't be crushing Bernie, which he is. *Points to scoreboard.* You are confusing love with like. It takes a lot for every county in an entire state to be won by a candidate none of them like. I mean, if this was impossible, we wouldn't have Trump, the bar is that low on likeability right now. We haven't even gotten to the pandemic fully moving inland to be seeing his approval rating on it is even based on reality in the ground. It just tells me a lot of people haven't gotten their ass kicked so bad they asking if we could've done something different yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: No, he's not. If nobody liked Biden, he wouldn't be crushing Bernie, which he is. *Points to scoreboard.* You are confusing love with like. I think we're interpreting him differently. he said he needs a strong vp to bring enthusiasm. the poll indicates a lack of enthusiasm for joe. do you think the poll is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PleaseBlitz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, grego said: I think we're interpreting him differently. he said he needs a strong vp to bring enthusiasm. the poll indicates a lack of enthusiasm for joe. do you think the poll is wrong? I think the poll is right, but the analysis in the article has some faults. Biden is still in a campaign, Trump is not. The enthusiasm for Biden will go up when the choice is between Biden and Trump, not Biden and Bernie. As @Renegade7 noted, being "somewhat enthused" about Biden is probably good enough when the only other option is Trump. I strongly suspect that if the question was "how enthused are you to vote against Trump" the "very enthused" number among all Democrats would go way up. I certainly agree for the need to bring a strong VP, but I don't think anyone is thinking "hey, lets pick a milquetoast VP." The simple fact that Biden has already said it'll be a woman is strong evidence that he understands this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Curious to hear what everyone thinks of Trump's recent uptick in approval. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?cid=rrpromo Do people really think he is doing a good job with the virus response (WTF?) or is this a kneejerk rallying around a POTUS during a crisis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said: No, he's not. If nobody liked Biden, he wouldn't be crushing Bernie, which he is. *Points to scoreboard.* You are confusing love with like. The only reason he's crushing Bernie, is he's the only alternative. The SC Dems made that determination to go with Joe and then the Super Tuesday states followed. If this was a normal election season with no Trump as the opposition; Biden would've been gone after Iowa. Petty aren't excited to vote for Biden. He's the only choice left. The more people see him, he will turn off some voters. Maybe turn them off enough, they won't even bother to vote. As the dirt come as out on Biden, that will turn off some voters. Trump, still has and probably will still have his core base; that's excited to vote for him. Whatever happens the rest of year with CoronaVirus won't change their minds. Now, the economy; that's a different thing. That could be the kryptonite to Donald's chances. I am still hoping something happens that prevents Joe from being the nominee and the Dems give to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 3/29/2020 at 9:14 AM, Rdskns2000 said: That’s why despite all this Trump is still the favorite. He just needs: 1. The economy to be rebounding in October. 2. The coronavirus under control. If there’s a 2nd wave in the fall, the government has it under control and isn’t having the devastating impact the first wave is. No one really likes Joe. That’s why he needs a Veep to help bring enthusiasm to his ticket. There are plenty of people that like Joe. The ones you want to bring to the ticket are they ones they don't like. I think Joe is going to win and probably was the only one that ran who could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 1 hour ago, grego said: I think we're interpreting him differently. he said he needs a strong vp to bring enthusiasm. the poll indicates a lack of enthusiasm for joe. do you think the poll is wrong? As PleaseBlitz pointed out the difference is between love and like. Yeah the guys that loved their candidate were really enthusiastic about him/her problem was/is they generated an equal or greater counter (enthusiasm? or something) that would have driven people to vote against them. No one is going to be voting against Biden and Biden will pick someone that is fairly moderate in most peoples eyes - Klobucher or Cuomo (slightly less moderate but now is an option). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I'm not that keen on Joe but I'd vote for him 11 times out of every 10 elections against Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 I was way more enthusiastic for Liz than Joe. Way more. And I was far from alone. Means nothing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 May not matter anyways if we hit 32% unemployment as the Fed is estimating. Only 1 person will get that blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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