Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[tshile]

Re: Sanders

 

if you were part of losing the presidency to trump please kindly take a seat and let people who don’t suck give it a try. Kthnxbi

 

[TradeTheBeal!]

17 minutes ago, tshile said:

Re: Sanders

 

if you were part of losing the presidency to trump please kindly take a seat and let people who don’t suck give it a try. Kthnxbi

 

 

To paraphrase Noel Gallagher:  Bernie Sanders is a man with a fork in a world of soup,

[PleaseBlitz]

1 hour ago, Burgold said:

It's funny how Biden's rep has flipped. I remember when he was "Crazy Uncle Joe" with foot in mouth disease.

 

Well his 8 years as Veep went pretty well, his only memorable "gaffe" was calling the signing of healthcare reform "a big ****ing deal" which (1) was true and (2) seems quaint that people considered it a gaffe back then.  We were all so young once.  

 

 

 

Regarding Bernie, I guess we'll see if his popularity 4 years ago was a product of not being Trump or Hillary, or if people actually want a cranky old socialist curmudgeon as President.  

[nonniey]

1 hour ago, Burgold said:

It's funny how Biden's rep has flipped. I remember when he was "Crazy Uncle Joe" with foot in mouth disease.

Well the others running do help in putting him in a much better light.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I'm definitely warming to Warren being on the ticket with Harris or Beto. 

 

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Elizabeth Warren To Unveil Sweeping Plan For Universal Child Care

 

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will unveil a major new initiative on Tuesday designed to make sure every family can afford high-quality child care, according to several people who have heard about the proposal or seen material describing it in the past week.

 

The plan seeks to make access to child care universal, the sources told HuffPost, by offering federal funds to providers that offer care at their facilities on a sliding income scale. 

 

No family would have to spend more than 7 percent of its household income on child care, no matter the number of kids. Families with incomes below twice the poverty line, which is roughly $50,000 a year for a family of four, would pay nothing.

 

Only providers that meet federal safety, staffing and curriculum standards could qualify for the funding. 

 

Officials with Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign declined to comment on the proposal and the sources familiar with the plan cautioned that some details were still in flux as of last week.

 

But, the sources said, the campaign has an internal analysis that shows the initiative will likely require approximately $700 billion in new federal spending over 10 years. That is a net figure, taking into account higher economic benefits of early childhood investments, such as making it easier for new parents to return to work.

 

If that estimate is indicative, the new outlays in Warren’s plan would be at least four times what the federal government currently spends on its main early childhood programs, which include Head Start, a block grant for state-level child care programs, and a tax credit that mostly benefits middle-class families.

To offset the cost of the initiative, the sources said, Warren will propose using revenue from her proposal for a new tax on wealth. 

A Focus On Affordability ― And Quality

The goal of capping costs at 7 percent of income doesn’t come out of thin air: That’s the figure the Department of Health and Human Services uses to officially define “affordable” child care. But these days, care costs a lot more than that for large numbers of families across the country. 

 

As of 2017, married couple paid an average of 11 percent of their household income on child care, while single parents paid 37 percent, according to the research and advocacy organization Child Care Aware of America. And that figure masked enormous variation, depending on the community and type of care.

 

In Mississippi, for example, care for one infant at an accredited center costs about $5,300 a year, which works out to about 7 percent of median income for a married couple there. But in California, that care costs an average of $16,000 a year, which is 18.6 percent of the median income for married couples.

And the figures are dramatically higher for single-parent families, because their incomes are so much lower.

 

Helping families pay for child care isn’t Warren’s only goal. She also wants to do something about the inconsistent and frequently low quality of care options available.

 

In the new proposal, the sources said, Warren will call for requiring child care providers that receive federal funds meet standards similar to those that now apply to Head Start program or the U.S. military’s child care system, which early childhood experts have long praised. Those standards include things like more rigorous training requirements for caregivers and more frequent safety inspections.

 

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[Burgold]

The thing about Warren, and I'm going to phrase this poorly, is that she's a rich man's Bernie Sanders. She's got the lefty, leftness, but is more well-rounded, more reasonable, more articulate, and more reasonable. Is she too far left? Is she too lacking in charisma? I'm not sure, but anyone who thought Bernie was appealing should be okay with Warren. She's not quite as crazy left as he is, but she's sort of the sane version of the whacky left.

[tshile]

There are things I like about Warren but in the interest of voting out Trump, she concerns me as being on the dems ticket even as VP.

 

The unfortunate truth is, with the level at which our people are uninformed, perception is reality. I fear the perception of warren, with enough voters, is bad. Irreconcilably bad. 

 

So even if I think she would be good and even if I would vote for her, my gut says she can’t win and even as a VP on the ticket she would bring a lot of baggage and I don’t know that it would be overcome. 

 

In my opinion, if the goal is solely to get a Dem elected and usher in a whole new mandate on what our federal government is doing for us, she’d be better served as a silent advisor working the background to craft these policies and let others be the face to them. 

 

Sucks but you cant win if you aren’t being realistic about the state of the board your playing on...

[NoCalMike]

Warren is a policy expert. The problem is voters don't necessarily respond to policy experts.  Her being on the stage opposite of Trump where her only defense against all his blathering on and on is to talk heavy policy?  It might not come off well.  It's a shame that it's like that, but unfortunately it is.

[Burgold]

That may be correct, @tshile  My other problem is that she’s boring as chalk. She makes Ben Stein seem like a party animal. 

 

Now, that part shouldn’t matter, but it does. I personally enjoy her wonkiness, but I can not imagine her rallying the vote by force of sheer personality. 

[tshile]

4 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

Warren is a policy expert. The problem is voters don't necessarily respond to policy experts.  Her being on the stage opposite of Trump where her only defense against all his blathering on and on is to talk heavy policy?  It might not come off well.  It's a shame that it's like that, but unfortunately it is.

 

Her well thought out 5 minute explanation on the benefits of a universal healthcare policy will be completely lost on the crowd

 

trump will call her Pocahontas and that’s all anyone will talk about for 3 days. 

 

It does suck but it’s the reality we currently live in. 

[twa]

The day care folk will certainly like the plan, and costs will go up as well.

 

Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for it.

 

 

[No Excuses]

I would not underestimate Bernie. He’s got a mailing list and groundgame headstart on every single person entering the race. 

 

He hasn’t really lost much popularity he gained in 2016 and holds one of the highest favorabolity ratings of any Congress member. 

 

I won’t be voting for him but he’s not exiting the primary field early. He’s going to be one of the last few standing IMO.

[Springfield]

I was a fan of Bernie in 2016, not in 2020 though.  Just go away.  I’ll vote for anyone who isn’t named Trump at this point though.  And don’t lie, the rest of you will as well.

[tshile]

15 minutes ago, twa said:

The day care folk will certainly like the plan, and costs will go up as well.

 

Maybe we can get Mexico to pay for it.

 

 

 

I was just using it as an example but you’re basically adding to the idea. Complex issues require time to hear out and time to digest and require multiple conversations. 

 

The trade off of higher costs for better care and better long long term outcomes is not an easy conversation to have when two adults capable of handling the conversation put in the requisite effort before, during, and after the conversation. You can even have intelligent discussion where the two ultimately don’t agree for very valid and well thought out reasons. 

 

And thats the sort of thing we should have between our presidential candidates. 

 

And while usually that’s a lofty bar to begin with, having half of the participants max out at “Pocahontas” in terms of contributing to the conversation makes it not even a goal you can reach for. 

 

I don’t know how you beat trump but standing in front of a camera reciting policy ideas and putting out newsletters in email isn’t going to work. Anyone who thinks it will, in my opinion, has too nice of an opinion of what our voting population is.  

 

Its hard enough to get people to carve an hour out of their day every four years to actually show up and vote. 

[No Excuses]

14 minutes ago, Springfield said:

I was a fan of Bernie in 2016, not in 2020 though.  Just go away.  I’ll vote for anyone who isn’t named Trump at this point though.  And don’t lie, the rest of you will as well.

 

I will vote for a half wit donkey over Donald Trump.

 

I think Bernie is being sold short. I hate his brand of ideologically-hard line politics, but he’s the best populist politician in the country. Unlike Trump, he’s not going to run on an anti-elites platform and then nominate the highest number of billionaires to cabinet positions in US history.

 

As President, Bernie will be a sledgehammer to corporate interests polluting government. No one can deny that this isn’t necessary at this point. 

[88Comrade2000]

30 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

I would not underestimate Bernie. He’s got a mailing list and groundgame headstart on every single person entering the race. 

 

He hasn’t really lost much popularity he gained in 2016 and holds one of the highest favorabolity ratings of any Congress member. 

 

I won’t be voting for him but he’s not exiting the primary field early. He’s going to be one of the last few standing IMO.

Bernie will be there until the end but he's not getting the same level of support he did in 2016.  He has real competition with people sharing/embracing many of his views.  People, who are more viable than him.

[twa]

Not to get sidetracked, but the Military Child care system has less than 200K kids and costs about 770M a year(rough estimates) and even then requires  parents to pay a small sum.

 

Not sure Mexico will go for it .

[PleaseBlitz]

Warren:  Unveils detailed proposal about how to solve a significant and ongoing problem that negatively impacts millions of Americans, to add to her list of other well-thought-out policy proposals that would benefit regular Americans

 

Regular American voters:  She's unlikable and probably not a good drinking buddy. 

 

 

 

 

[PleaseBlitz]

7 minutes ago, No Excuses said:

 

I will vote for a half wit donkey over Donald Trump.

 

I think Bernie is being sold short. I hate his brand of ideologically-hard line politics, but he’s the best populist politician in the country. Unlike Trump, he’s not going to run on an anti-elites platform and then nominate the highest number of billionaires to cabinet positions in US history.

 

As President, Bernie will be a sledgehammer to corporate interests polluting government. No one can deny that this isn’t necessary at this point. 

 

Bernie is similar to Trump in that he is very good at identifying problems and complaining about them, and make people feel like they are being taken advantage of by people they should hate.  Which is extremely easy and anyone can do this, and also have the benefit of being an extremely effective political tactic. 

 

The hard part, which neither Trump nor Bernie have shown any capacity for, is identifying problems and offering ideas for solving them.

 

Both Trump and Bernie are actually better off if they don't solve the problems they like to complain about.  That way they can keep doing what they do best, which is to demagogue.  

[Popeman38]

4 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

Warren:  Unveils detailed proposal about how to solve a significant and ongoing problem that negatively impacts millions of Americans, to add to her list of other well-thought-out policy proposals that would benefit regular Americans

 

Regular American voters:  She's unlikable and probably not a good drinking buddy. 

Are you new to Bud Light chugging, reality-TV watching America?

 

It's all about optics, and Warren is bit actor. It sucks, it speaks VERY lowly of the American public, but it's true.  As a nation, we are stupid as ****. Look who we nominated for the last election...

[88Comrade2000]

Here's a tentative 2020 Primary/Caucus Schedule:

Not all the states are scheduled yet.

 

2020 Primary Schedule

 

Mon Feb 3 Iowa caucusesDEMOCRAT: Closed

Tue Feb 11 New HampshireDEMOCRAT: Mixed

Sat Feb 22 Nevada caucusesDEMOCRAT: Closed

Sat Feb 29 South CarolinaDEMOCRAT: Open

Tue Mar 3

AlabamaDEMOCRAT: Open

CaliforniaDEMOCRAT: Mixed

MassachusettsDEMOCRAT: Mixed

North CarolinaDEMOCRAT: Mixed

OklahomaDEMOCRAT: Closed

TennesseeDEMOCRAT: Open

TexasDEMOCRAT: Open

VermontDEMOCRAT: Open

VirginiaDEMOCRAT: Open

Sat  Mar 7 LouisianaDEMOCRAT: Closed

Tue Mar 10

Hawaii caucusesREPUBLICAN: Closed

IdahoREPUBLICAN: Open

MichiganDEMOCRAT: Open

MississippiDEMOCRAT: Open

MissouriDEMOCRAT: Open

OhioDEMOCRAT: Mixed

Tue Mar 17

ArizonaDEMOCRAT: Closed

FloridaDEMOCRAT: Closed

IllinoisDEMOCRAT: Open

Tue Apr 7

WisconsinDEMOCRAT: Open

Tue Apr 28

ConnecticutDEMOCRAT: Closed

DelawareDEMOCRAT: Closed

MarylandDEMOCRAT: Closed

PennsylvaniaDEMOCRAT: Closed

Rhode IslandDEMOCRAT: Mixed

Tue May 5

IndianaDEMOCRAT: Open

Tue May 12

NebraskaREPUBLICAN: Open

West VirginiaDEMOCRAT: Mixed

Tue May 19

ArkansasDEMOCRAT: Open

KentuckyDEMOCRAT: Closed

OregonDEMOCRAT: Closed

Tue May 26

WashingtonREPUBLICAN: Closed

Tue Jun 2

MontanaDEMOCRAT: Open

New JerseyDEMOCRAT: Mixed

New MexicoDEMOCRAT: Closed

South DakotaDEMOCRAT: Closed

Sun Jun 7

Puerto RicoDEMOCRAT: Open

Tue Jun 16

Washington, DCDEMOCRAT: Closed

[PleaseBlitz]

Just now, Popeman38 said:

Are you new to Bud Light chugging, reality-TV watching America?

 

It's all about optics, and Warren is bit actor. It sucks, it speaks VERY lowly of the American public, but it's true.  As a nation, we are stupid as ****. Look who we nominated for the last election...

 

I didn't say I was surprised.  Just pointing out what is.  

[Jumbo]

3 minutes ago, Popeman38 said:

Are you new to Bud Light chugging, reality-TV watching America?

 

It's all about optics, and Warren is bit actor. It sucks, it speaks VERY lowly of the American public, but it's true.  As a nation, we are stupid as ****. Look who we nominated for the last election...

 

 

more just in general than what you're addressing here, and with respect to your leisure time, i wish you'd post more often

[88Comrade2000]

Iowa and New Hampshire may winnow out some non-contenders.  I don't think either state will be key beyond that.   Nevada and South Carolina though will be the real test before the March 3 and March 10 Super Tuesdays.  Those 2 states are a better representation of the diverse Democratic electorate  How well one does there will fortell whether the candidate can move on. 

 

IA and NH is probably more valuable to Bernie, Uncle Joe and Lizzy. MAybe Amy?   I think Corty, Juan, Kamala and even Beto don't have to win IA or NH.  As long they get decent showing, they'll be okay.   They need to show how they can do in Nevada and South Carolina.   I think by March 10; we will either have nominee or you see the nomination head towards being decided at the convention.  Those Super Tuesdays dates will either see one candidate clean up or will see the vote divide among many candidates.

[@DCGoldPants]

1 hour ago, NoCalMike said:

Warren is a policy expert. The problem is voters don't necessarily respond to policy experts.  Her being on the stage opposite of Trump where her only defense against all his blathering on and on is to talk heavy policy?  It might not come off well.  It's a shame that it's like that, but unfortunately it is.

 

Basically she would be great working for an admin. But doesn't come off as a leader of an admin.