88Comrade2000 Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 One thing about Kamala's town hall that still has me thinking Donald wins. The Democratic positions on the issues. Any Dem candidate is going to have to go left, to win the nomination. I'm not so sure in 2020, that wins them the election. Maybe 2024 or 2028 but will that win them in 2020; against Trump? 5 minutes ago, visionary said: Who is she? Do I even list her as a candidate? They are over 500 people who probably run for President. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: you want to tax the rich and spend that on research or infrastructure or something like that sign me up... but giving it to people who are poor and have no ability to use what money they do have wisely.... no thanks Are you saying people are poor because they can’t manage money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Momma There Goes That Man said: Are you saying people are poor because they can’t manage money? Sure sounds like it. As if rich people know how to manage money. See Snyder, Dan. Their accountants on the other hand generally know how to manage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: Any Dem candidate is going to have to go left, to win the nomination. Not sure why so many people think this. Do we not acknowledge the fact that there is a large population of conservatives AND independents who will be running from the republican candidate in 2020? The fact that we might have a strong indi running would pull people towards the center to get votes by itself. You dont have to be the most left to win the nom unless the DNC is actively trying to lose again by forcing a particular candidate no one wants. Again. No, I dont think the only way to get the dem nom is to be the most left candidate out there. Im not sure why anyone does. And EVEN if that ends up being the way it goes I still dont see how any of you can justify that equating to a Trump win at this point. He has isolated himself to his base and is even losing them. No way he can win. Its over. Seriously, this shut down finished it for him. He lost in all phases on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, Llevron said: No, I dont think the only way to get the dem nom is to be the most left candidate out there. Im not sure why anyone does. The Democratic party is the party of left wing extremists like Beto and Harris. At least that's what some "news" outlets want people to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, clietas said: The Democratic party is the party of left wing extremists like Beto and Harris. At least that's what some "news" outlets want people to believe. Yea I get that people say it but that doesnt make it any more true. Im just wondering why people think that (assuming they are more informed than folks watching fox). Not being confrontational just really wondering why people think that. Cause it looks to me like the exact opposite is a much bigger possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wiggles Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Left demands to many entitlements according to some folk. Govt = the problem in their mind. So the rights opponents are considered radical leftist socialists. One example: https://www.google.com/amp/s/criticalpolitics.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/7-reasons-why-mitt-romney-is-a-socialist/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: Who is she? Do I even list her as a candidate? They are over 500 people who probably run for President. Ok, didn't recognize the name and I had the same question, soooo, Google! Get ready to be dismissive and condescending, she is the dingbat, jade egg in your cooch candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: it’s like comma with a la at the end of it... I don’t think you can ever give people “enough” free money... Isnt she the the one that wants to tax rich people’s wealth? If you want to tax the rich and spend that on research or infrastructure or something like that sign me up... but giving it to people who are poor and have no ability to use what money they do have wisely.... no thanks. Most everything else she said is OK with me. Yanno, I honestly try not to respond to you directly because I end up coming off as some snotty asshole, and while I can easily be that that isn't my intention. You're parroting something you heard without understanding it or thinking exactly what that means beyond some narrow soundbite. Here's the thing, every single time without exception that society or government or whoever tries to apologize for their utter lack of humanity by injecting resources, time, effort, money, whatever into the lowest strata in society by helping "poor" people, it moves. Poor people just squander that money right away on heating oil or groceries (the baztuds!), the grocer buys stock, the oil company services its fleet, etc., etc., until it pops right back out on top in taxes, fees, whatever. It never just sits there, "poor" people can't just squirrel it away because they are living under the shadow of hunger every damned day, so whether they like it or not, even when they might want to save $2 they can't. That money is invested, it churns the market, bubbles up and stimulates additional economic activity and stability and PAYS FOR ITSELF! When you slather that same money or resources on the top of the economic torte, it DOES get squirreled away, in material goods or offshore accounts. It doesn't go anywhere, do anything or benefit the rest of the economy, unless you think that mega yacht is justified by the blue collar workers that got to build it. You're taking money out of circulation and not getting any concomitant benefits from it. It is a net loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 @LD0506 I don’t think your response is a response to what I said. Actually, you could argue what you are saying makes taxing the rich to give it to the poor is a fruitless endeavor. If it is just going to be spent as soon as they get it it and go right back to the top, what is the point? I’m not sure why we would want to double down on something that’s not working. I didn’t say “don’t tax the rich”.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 <uhhhhh> Yes it ends up back on top but along the way it generates additional growth and economic activity...................... * * * <stfu Dave, just let it go......> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, LD0506 said: Good old Will Rogers. He never met twa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: If it is just going to be spent as soon as they get it it and go right back to the top, what is the point? https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-velocity-of-money-for-beginners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: @LD0506 I don’t think your response is a response to what I said. Actually, you could argue what you are saying makes taxing the rich to give it to the poor is a fruitless endeavor. If it is just going to be spent as soon as they get it it and go right back to the top, what is the point? So they can have breakfast or give their kids warm clothes or not die from a treatable disease. Here’s a question... Trump and the GOP are happy to tell you that this is the strongest economy in history and that he has all but eradicated unemployment. Why should anybody who is willing to work 40 hours a week in a **** job in the wealthiest nation in the history of civilization have to worry about their electricity being shut off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Good old Will Rogers. He never met twa. Well I'm not that old. What would ole Will say about poor folk spending what ya give them on empty calories, booze and drugs? It still trickles up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-velocity-of-money-for-beginners/ I understand it generates economic growth. But for who? The economic growth isn’t distributed equally. If it was, this wouldn’t be true: 7 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Here’s a question... Trump and the GOP are happy to tell you that this is the strongest economy in history and that he has all but eradicated unemployment. Why should anybody who is willing to work 40 hours a week in a **** job in the wealthiest nation in the history of civilization have to worry about their electricity being shut off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Llevron said: Not sure why so many people think this. Do we not acknowledge the fact that there is a large population of conservatives AND independents who will be running from the republican candidate in 2020? ......... They won't be voting in most of the Dem primaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 You can lead a horse to water... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, twa said: What would ole Will say about poor folk spending what ya give them on empty calories, booze and drugs? He’d be against it. He’d also say that this is a stupid point (Will’s words, not mine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: I think MSNBC had Elizabeth Warren, anyone bother to watch that one? My guess, Kamala got the viewers. I watched Warren and wasn't impressed really. She talked mostly about taxing the wealthy and various ways to do that, and she lost me. I eventually turned the program off (I recorded it). She's too wonky. Edited to add: she jumped all over the place in speaking, she actually reminded me of Trump, the unorganized way he speaks. The difference is that Warren knows what she's talking about and Trump doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: He’d be against it. He’d also say that this is a stupid point (Will’s words, not mine). Will was smarter than that. Quote There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said: One thing about Kamala's town hall that still has me thinking Donald wins. The Democratic positions on the issues. Any Dem candidate is going to have to go left, to win the nomination. I'm not so sure in 2020, that wins them the election. Maybe 2024 or 2028 but will that win them in 2020; against Trump? Can you explain this further? Which issues are you referring to? Cutting taxes for the rich is very unpopular. And that was before it was widely reported that cutting those taxes had no benefit for the broader economy. Meanwhile, increasing taxes on the rich is favored by a huge majority of Americans. Democrats just won the most House seats in memory running almost exclusively on increasing access to healthcare, which is the extremely popular opinion. 70% support Medicare for All. Repealing Obamacare is very unpopular. What "lefty" position is so unpopular that would cause lots of people to vote back in a guy that is historically unpopular and has all of the obvious faults that Trump has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 The Dems don't need a leftist/progressive to run because right-wing media is already going to paint any Dem as that regardless. The trick is running a candidate that feels authentic enough to the more progressive part of the party. Sort of like Obama, he campaigned a lot more progressively than he governed. Of course, once you are in office what you want versus what you can negotiate to make happen are often very different. The system by nature always seems to favor the incumbent candidate. They have to do something to turn off their own base. Regardless of how the candidate is perceived by half of the country, the other half still will look at the race through the "if I don't vote for this person, the person on the other team is going to win" In a winner take all system, there is little incentive not to voter for "lesser of 2 evils." There is a reason Clinton, Bush, Obama all served 2 terms despite how unpopular we were told they were going into re-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 will was one of my boyhood faves to read, though not all of his bromides are home runs but what i was gonna post about was seeing if any of you on twitter/facebook will be able to tell when/if the rooskie bot army starts doing all it can for schultz's cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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