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Presidential Election :11/3/2020- Trump the Impeached vs Superplanner Lizzie & some other Dems

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1 hour ago, clietas said:

Bernies big backers appear to be Google, Microsoft, and Apple. They've thrown a ****pot full o money behind him in the first 24 hours. Certainly his supporters will be more the establishment this go round. 

 

 

Really?  That makes zero sense to me.  Where are you seeing this?

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I realized yesterday an Asian was running for President. 

 

When I began to look more into why an Asian was running for president I became enamored by his ideas. His name is Andrew Yang. He's an economist and businessman. He suggested the idea of UBI, or Universal Basic Income, for all Americans 18-64. 

 

I am highly intrigued. 

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39 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Really?  That makes zero sense to me.  Where are you seeing this?

 

Obviously its tough to say with certainty who his big donors are after just 24 hours. Based on his past tho it really appears as of now companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft are still going to be some of his larger backers.

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00000528&cycle=CAREER

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In the next 12 years, 1 out of 3 American workers is at risk of losing their jobs to new technologies—and unlike with previous waves of automation, this time new jobs will not appear quickly enough in large enough numbers to make up for it. To avoid an unprecedented crisis, we’re going to have to find a new solution, unlike anything we’ve done before. It all begins with Universal Basic Income for all American adults, no strings attached – a foundation on which a stable, prosperous, and just society can be built.

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29 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

I realized yesterday an Asian was running for President. 

 

When I began to look more into why an Asian was running for president I became enamored by his ideas. His name is Andrew Yang. He's an economist and businessman. He suggested the idea of UBI, or Universal Basic Income, for all Americans 18-64. 

 

I am highly intrigued. 

 

My best friends been talking him up for awhile. Im still skeptical of any person with just a business backround being President.

 

$1k a month sounds sweet. He's rich he could make that happen without being President. I accept cash, checks, paypal, cashapp.

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19 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

I realized yesterday an Asian was running for President. 

 

When I began to look more into why an Asian was running for president I became enamored by his ideas. His name is Andrew Yang. He's an economist and businessman. He suggested the idea of UBI, or Universal Basic Income, for all Americans 18-64. 

 

I am highly intrigued. 

 

 

I brought Andrew Yang up a handful of pages back in this thread.  He was a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast a week or so ago.  Go listen to that episode to hear his UBI policy more fleshed out.  

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58 minutes ago, ixcuincle said:

I realized yesterday an Asian was running for President. 

 

When I began to look more into why an Asian was running for president I became enamored by his ideas. His name is Andrew Yang. He's an economist and businessman. He suggested the idea of UBI, or Universal Basic Income, for all Americans 18-64. 

 

I am highly intrigued. 

I have go back and add him to the list, I guess.  The guy has been running since 11/6/18.

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58 minutes ago, clietas said:

 

Obviously its tough to say with certainty who his big donors are after just 24 hours. Based on his past tho it really appears as of now companies like Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft are still going to be some of his larger backers.

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/contributors?cid=N00000528&cycle=CAREER

 

Thanks for posting the link.  That link shows donations from individuals associated with those companies, not the companies themselves.  Keep in mind the companies you mention employ a ton of people, many of whom tend to be well-off enough to make significant donations and who skew left b/c of their level of education.  The way I read it is he's gotten donations from people at those companies primarily as part of his 2016 presidential bid, it's not like those people are particularly favoring him over other presidential candidates.

 

For example, individuals associated with Microsoft have given Sanders $164,041 over the course of his entire long-ass career.    $158,457 of that was in 2016.  That's 97%.  However, for comparison, individuals associated with Microsoft gave Hillary $865,134 in 2016, more than 5 times as much as Bernie.

 

Point is, I'd expect every Dem presidential nominee to get significant contributions from people at big-ass tech companies, and the companies as a corporate entity are not what drives it (they give to dark money PACs like every other corporation).  

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Apple et al also routinely hold fundraisers for Republicans (see Tim Cook fundraising for Paul Ryan). The dirty secret of Silicon Valley is that all top level executives pay off both parties and escape the scrutiny that they really should be receiving. 

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On 2/19/2019 at 2:25 PM, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I think the biggest mistake any candidate will make, and most of them will make it, is trying to beat Trump at his own game.  The smart candidates won't even mention Trump, they'll skillfully refer to Trump's shortcomings and failures, but they won't engage him in a battle of name calling.  They'll respond by saying something to the effect of, Trump can call me whatever not nice things he wants, I'll continue to talk about voter's problems and how to solve them. 

 

Edit:  "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."  -- George Bernard Shaw
 

Actually, I hope there is one candidate that does engange Trump directly, one on one.  No, that candidate won't get the nomination  or even beat Trump.

That candidate will be running to get under Trump's skin.  The more the candidate says things about Trump, the more Trump will respond.  Trump will get crazier by the moment. Probably, become unhinged.  Yes, that's a big risk; for a man in control of the nukes.  The electorate that didn't vote in 2016; needs to see this.

Flood the airwaves with attack ads on Trump.  There's plenty there.  Treason, Mental Stability, Corruption, Etc...   While this candidate is keeping Trump distracted, everyone else can run a race to see; who will be taking on Trump.  Discuss the issues.

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1 minute ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Actually, I hope there is one candidate that does engange Trump directly, one on one.  No, that candidate won't get the nomination  or even beat Trump.

That candidate will be running to get under Trump's skin.  The more the candidate says things about Trump, the more Trump will respond.  Trump will get crazier by the moment. Probably, become unhinged.  Yes, that's a big risk; for a man in control of the nukes.  The electorate that didn't vote in 2016; needs to see this.

Flood the airwaves with attack ads on Trump.  There's plenty there.  Treason, Mental Stability, Corruption, Etc...   While this candidate is keeping Trump distracted, everyone else can run a race to see; who will be taking on Trump.  Discuss the issues.

 

This would be amazing, but the media would cease covering the other people discussing issues and JUST cover the fight.  Trump and the other candidate would get billions of dollars worth of free media and dominate the news cycle every day.  It would be entirely to Trump's advantage, even if the person trolling him crushed him entirely.  

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So I came across a clip of Tusli Gabbard on the view of all places (don't ask) and Meghan McCain kept trying to corner her into the "Call Assad an enemy of the U.S. do it do it, come on" (as if that effects any actual policy)  and I actually really liked everything Gabbard had to say on Foreign policy overall and what actually happens in regions when the U.S. intervenes.   Of course, with this population half the country will never be able to look past her not specifically uttering the statement "Assad is an enemy of the U.S." so she will likely be DOA in the primaries, but it is a damn shame.

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1 hour ago, No Excuses said:

Apple et al also routinely hold fundraisers for Republicans (see Tim Cook fundraising for Paul Ryan). The dirty secret of Silicon Valley is that all top level executives pay off both parties and escape the scrutiny that they really should be receiving. 

 

Not limited to Silicon Valley. If you are a big company, you give to everyone to ensure you have the ear of whoever wins. 

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8 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

So I came across a clip of Tusli Gabbard on the view of all places (don't ask) and Meghan McCain kept trying to corner her into the "Call Assad an enemy of the U.S. do it do it, come on" (as if that effects any actual policy)  and I actually really liked everything Gabbard had to say on Foreign policy overall and what actually happens in regions when the U.S. intervenes.   Of course, with this population half the country will never be able to look past her not specifically uttering the statement "Assad is an enemy of the U.S." so she will likely be DOA in the primaries, but it is a damn shame.

 

100% disagree. She met with Assad a couple of years ago and aligned herself with conspiracy theorists when he used chemical weapons on his own people. She didn't believe he did that. She supported and credited Putin when Russia was bombing Syria rebels claiming that they were ISIS fighters and why wasn't Obama doing that too. The fact that she won't condemn him and call him an enemy of the US is disqualifying. She has gone down the dark path of tying herself to Russia/Putin and Assad. **** her. 

 

 

 

 

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Plus she has displayed GOP levels of homophobia in the past. Hard pass on her.

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10 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

This would be amazing, but the media would cease covering the other people discussing issues and JUST cover the fight.  Trump and the other candidate would get billions of dollars worth of free media and dominate the news cycle every day.  It would be entirely to Trump's advantage, even if the person trolling him crushed him entirely.  

You don't even need a candidate. Have the DNC air ads and go after Trump.  Destroy the mother ****er!

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17 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

 

 

I brought Andrew Yang up a handful of pages back in this thread.  He was a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast a week or so ago.  Go listen to that episode to hear his UBI policy more fleshed out.  

 

 

I have also purchased his book "The war on Normal people" yesterday and have started looking into it. Basically automation is going to take 1/3 of American jobs in 15 years. And it's already happening right now. There is a huge crisis coming and right now we are not prepared for it. UBI would help address this. 

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2 hours ago, ixcuincle said:

 

I have also purchased his book "The war on Normal people" yesterday and have started looking into it. Basically automation is going to take 1/3 of American jobs in 15 years. And it's already happening right now. There is a huge crisis coming and right now we are not prepared for it. UBI would help address this. 

 

Yeah in the past I never considered an idea like UBI because the common thought was "if you lose your job, that's fine, there are plenty others out there"  even when the economy has been in a downward spiral, I personally have seemed to always have enough basic office/admin skills to land something temporarily until a better opportunity came along, but listening to Andrew Yang explain what is going to happen in the near future, and has sort of already started on a smaller scale, it sounds like eventually a lot of the jobs will go away en mass and it isn't going to happen slowly once it starts.  His breakdown of the majority of jobs Americans do now, I had no idea either. 

 

I also think there is a misconception that UBI is a job replacement.  It's not.  Hell even for those with an income, UBI could something as simple as not having to use half a paycheck for an emergency car repair. The UBI supplement takes care of that, it goes right back into the economy etc etc....

 

I am not going to claim I am now any kind of scholar on the topic of UBI, but it does make sense if we are truly entering a world where automation is going to severely change the jobs landscape.

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On 2/19/2019 at 4:42 PM, NoCalMike said:

 

As sad as it sounds, it is extremely hard to debate someone who doesn't deal in reality.  You spend so much of your own time almost in shock & awe of the things the other person is saying, and you end up feeling the need to give long drawn out explanations.   Whoever is debating him will have to come up with more quick and snappy replies. 

 

Whoever is debating Trump could just express what you said verbatim and come off looking better than giving quick and snappy replies. 

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 there is no initial allotment of jobs. and when those go away... boom.. no more jobs! 
 

Back in the day.. basically EVERYBODY had to be involved in directly making food and shelter ... all ... of... the ...time....    then slowly we got better at it, and as a direct result a whole ****-load of agricultural jobs were eliminated.................. and everyone cheered, because those jobless out-of-work losers were freed up to invent the internet and porn.   

 

 

if there is such a gigantic technical leap in the next 15 years that we can produce the same output with 66% of the labor...that is a GOOD thing.   That means that 33% of this precious resource is freed up to produce OTHER things.   

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@mcsluggo is right. 

 

Rather than UBI and mass unemployment, my major concern is college affordability and access. This is already the case and even more in the future, that jobs will require specialized skills and a college educated work force. 

 

You can’t have a healthy economy when your labor pool is leaving education with crippling debt. See: rates of home ownership and millennials. This is an unsustainable model. 

 

I see two scenarios playing out:

 

1. Government raises taxes to make state colleges tuition free.

 

2. The private sector starts reimbursing students for education debt.

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