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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Presidential Election :11/3/2020- Trump the Impeached vs Superplanner Lizzie & some other Dems

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Oh, I think experience is a factor.  I'm not sure it should be an absolute requirement.  

 

And it can certainly be abused.  Remember when Hillary was completely unqualified, because she'd never been a Governor, and only experience as a Governor counts towards being President?  

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1 hour ago, PleaseBlitz said:

I also have no issue with unconventional candidates with good ideas.  But at the end of the day, I want a steady hand at the wheel, especially after the past 2+ years of chaos.  I personally value that return to stability and normalcy over any single policy issue, and I generally care deeply about policy.  I certainly don't think Biden is the only one that fits the bill, but he certainly has the most relevant experience of everyone.  I suppose you can spin that as a bad thing, but it reeks of spin to me. 

 

Not joking about picking Yang over Biden (I'm not voting for either of them anyways). The reason I would do this is because I don't think a return to normalcy is the only thing necessary after Trump.

 

And I don't know what return to normalcy really even means at this point. Normal before Trump was a Democratic Party getting outmaneuvered by Republicans time and time again, with a severe imbalance between how both parties choose to wield power. It effectively allowed the right to become more and more extreme while still gaining electoral power. Going by Joe Biden's recent statements on "across the aisle cooperation", it seems like he is supremely qualified to lead us into several more years of Democrats normally getting punked by a ruthless GOP.

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I would also suggest that when Obama was elected in 2008, the expectation was that he would be a lot more progressive than he actually was, as President.

 

So this idea that we need a "stiff centrist to restore order and balance in the world" is a bit silly as well. 

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20 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

I would also suggest that when Obama was elected in 2008, the expectation was that he would be a lot more progressive than he actually was, as President.

 

So this idea that we need a "stiff centrist to restore order and balance in the world" is a bit silly as well. 

 

I don't think anyone said a centrist.  Joe Biden, "moderate" and Joe Biden, "former 2-term VP and former kajillion term senator" are two different considerations.  

 

I'm saying that it would be nice to have someone that knows how government works (and is supposed to work) and wont govern via tweets, won't publicly threaten allies or get into their politics, won't make major diplomatic faux pas like criticizing Americans on foreign soil and understands the roles and boundaries of the myriad pillars of government (e.g., won't neg the Fed, will let insist the DOJ have independence, etc).  There are a million little details that matter that have nothing to do with ones place on the political spectrum.  

 

I agree with everyone that Biden's statement about working with the GOP is delusional.  I also think/hope he said it as more of an exercise in branding himself as a moderate rather than because he actually believes it to be true.  

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Here’s my observation in the context of:

- I’m reading these threads but probably catching 70% of it

- I’m talking about the people I talk to outside the board, in the area I live

- the area is probably 65% always vote R no matter what, 25% I’ll go either way if you give me good enough reasons (or bad enough candidate), 10% dem. 

 

The dem candidate are not reaching the 25%. Maybe they don’t want to. Maybe the nature of it being a primary and them not caring makes it an impossible task anyways. 

 

But theyre not reaching those people here. I’d say about 3 months ago those people were sort of excited. They knew names of people as they declared. They’d say something like “yeah I’m excited to see who they get, because trump is awful”

 

now, when I ask or make a comment about a current event re: dem primaries, I get a “oh no I haven’t heard anything about any of it” sort of responses. 

 

Maybe the concern is irrelevant. It just feels like the 25% is being lulled into passive supporting trump. It feels like a strong build up of loathing for trump is sliding away. 

 

Id say half of the 25% is so far they’re not voting for trump no matter what. But that other half... I’m concerned. 

 

Also, I really like Warren. There’s only one policy I take issue with on her platform. I tried to talk to people about her economic patriotism release and I couldn’t even get people to want to pay attention. They heard her name and the conversation was over before it could begin. I don’t know how you overcome that. She’s easily my favorite (which means little considering how much I’m following it)

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Truth be told, plenty of the voting electorate is not going to be engaged into the election season until the general election is down to Trump and the (D) Nominee.  That is just how it works a lot of the time.  This is where sometimes I think the 24/7 news cycle hurts on things like the election and even on issues like the Russia Interference investigation.  People get tired of it, fatigued.  They don't want to hear about things anymore.  We are a long ways away from the days you came home from work, sat down for the "News Hour" got your update and moved on for the night.   

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3 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

For the further Left posters here, would any of you NOT vote for Biden if he were the nominee?

 

I will vote for a donkey that has been run over by a tank over Trump so Biden will still get my vote if he’s the nominee. I would just have very low expectations about what his admin would actually do to advance the liberal cause. He’s not a thought leader on any key liberal issue. 

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15 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

For the further Left posters here, would any of you NOT vote for Biden if he were the nominee?

 

I'd say I'm center left, but I don't mind Biden specifically because I think he probably has the best chance to beat Trump.  

 

I ****ing hate Bernie Sanders.  I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he wins the nomination.  

 

I think Andrew Yang is less qualified than I am to be President.  I'd still vote for him over Trump.  

 

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I view Biden as a less-good, but less baggage-y version of Hillary.  Am I excited to see him as the nominee? No.  Would I ever consider staying home and not voting because he is the nominee? Hell No.

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5 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

The problem with Biden is that its 2019 and a lot of people see through what he is doing. Look at how he flip-flopped on the Hyde Amendment stuff. Did he really flip flop after nearly 40 years from when he supported it or is he trying to get in line with the current Dem party and appeal to people?

 

Or the environmental policy he put out after saying there is a middle ground we can reach? He said there was a middle ground and then plagiarized - not the first time he has done that - bits and pieces from policy groups.

 

I keep saying it, dude stands for nothing and will be out of here really early. He would have been a better candidate in 1988 when Reagan was king.

87-88 is when the plagerism scandal drove him out of the race.

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If Biden keeps answering questions like Trump, "No one has done more for.............than me!"  the debates are going to be hysterical. 

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You know, I don't think we've been saying enough about Yang.  He's got some good ideas.

 

 

 

(now how can I hook myself up with this money)   😉

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Another question for those of the left on this board.

 

Which is more important for a new Democratic Administration?

 

1) A return to normalcy/civility.

2) Making the former administration, GOP Congress members and supporters pay for their "crimes".

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1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

For the further Left posters here, would any of you NOT vote for Biden if he were the nominee?

 

I'll vote for him because I am a regular voter and I will never vote for a Republican.  But I'll tell you what will happen if Biden is the nominee--huge swaths of core Democratic constituencies won't show up at all.  It will be the same song and dance as with Hillary and Kerry, and Trump will win again.  He's been completely normalized for the core Republican constituencies, and they will be enough to win him a second term.  Republican candidates have a built in advantage through the electoral college, and the only way Democrats can win the presidency is by motivating high turnout.  Committed, principled partisans, left + right, are probably less than 40% of eligible voters.  The rest swing in and out, and they need a strong hand to lead them to the polls.  Biden is not that kind of leader.  He's an empty suit.

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7 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Another question for those of the left on this board.

 

Which is more important for a new Democratic Administration?

 

1) A return to normalcy/civility.

2) Making the former administration, GOP Congress members and supporters pay for their crimes.

If people committed crimes shouldn't they be pay for said crimes? That seems normal to me.

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7 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Another question for those of the left on this board.

 

Which is more important for a new Democratic Administration?

 

1) A return to normalcy/civility.

2) Making the former administration, GOP Congress members and supporters pay for their crimes.

 

3) Progress.

 

The GoP definition of civility is for Democrats to know their place and not fight back.

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13 minutes ago, nonniey said:

Another question for those of the left on this board.

 

Which is more important for a new Democratic Administration?

 

1) A return to normalcy/civility.

2) Making the former administration, GOP Congress members and supporters pay for their crimes.

 

The first one.  Hopefully Trump is defeated and the GOP goes into a period of turmoil between a group that wants to continue down the Trump path (but with nobody that can really pull off Trump's craziness) and a group that wants to return to Reagan-esque GOP orthodoxy, and they consume themselves and the Dems take that opportunity to show they can govern as responsible, normal, civil adults and enact significant changes to the current social contract that benefit the 99%. Trump will continue to snipe from Twitter, at both sides and everyone else in the world that he blames for losing, then he'll die soon.  

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1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

For the further Left posters here, would any of you NOT vote for Biden if he were the nominee?

Why ask this question? 

 

All of us want Trump out. The point is not repeating the same ol mistakes like the Tame Impala song. That’s what primary season is about.

 

Biden is the same ol mistakes and seeing how he runs his campaigns, he doesn’t come across as a good leader.

1 hour ago, Rdskns2000 said:

87-88 is when the plagerism scandal drove him out of the race.

I know, I referenced that in my post.

 

My point is Biden’s worldview belongs in that era.

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4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Why ask this question? 

Curiosity. 

 

Seemed a lot of posters here wouldn't like him as the nominee.  I was wondering just how much.

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