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Jumbo Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: in fairness, we would vote for a blind & deaf rat and it would be an upgrade I would like to be proud of my vote more than couple of times in my lifetime though true, and good luck on the latter---my first was '72 (i wrote in barbarella over nixon/mcgovern) and i've been proud once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Klobucher going hard at Warren and Bernie and complaining about giving away free stuff with Chris Matthews leading her on (msnbc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearrock Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, visionary said: Klobucher going hard at Warren and Bernie and giving away free stuff with Chris Matthews leading her on. There's a lot of the anti-Trump crowd who would agree with her and Matthews. It's the biggest concern for Warren and Sanders, can they turn out new voters from the left to replace the ones they'll lose in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, bearrock said: There's a lot of the anti-Trump crowd who would agree with her and Matthews. It's the biggest concern for Warren and Sanders, can they turn out new voters from the left to replace the ones they'll lose in the middle. Well, we will find out should they become the nominee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bearrock Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Quote “There are only two countries in the world that don’t have paid family leave for new moms: the United States of America and Papua New Guinea. That is the entire list and we need to get off this list as soon as possible.” — Businessman Andrew Yang It may seem like a surprising statistic, but Yang is correct, according to a March report from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Paid maternity leave is also guaranteed in every country except Papua New Guinea and the United States, the report said. An International Labor Organization report reached the same conclusion. At least one other report also listed Lesotho, Liberia and Swaziland as countries that also do not provide paid family leave. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/21/fact-checking-fifth-democratic-presidential-debate/ What in holy hell? The hell are we doing in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Springfield Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I was only watching bits and pieces, but what I saw from Harris was uninspiring to me. Maybe she came off differently later on. She’s a “hold my nose and vote” type of candidate for me at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I tuned in for 10 minutes and then turned it off. I’ve increasingly come to the view that the whole debate format for elections is just complete garbage. I want to see it replaced with a system that is far more boring but thick on substance. You take 4-5 candidates, seat them on a round table and have 30-45 minute substantive discussions on each major issue. You include things like asking how they plan on enacting their policies. You fact check in real time with moderators who are experts on the issues themselves. I watched this format during the French presidential elections in a round table discussion between Macron and La Pen and it was so much more thick on substance, that you actually got to understand how each candidate understands the issues and their depth of knowledge. Watching each candidate get 2 minutes to spout of talking points, with only 3-4 people getting a chance to talk about each issue is just flat out stupid and ineffective. Half of the policy debates don’t even matter. Medicare for All that bans private insurance is as realistic as Mexico paying for a border wall. Bernie won’t be able to ban fracking via executive fiat. He won’t get congressional backing either. Yang isn’t getting Congress to pass his freedom dividend. There’s so much nonsense that goes unchecked in the debate format and really warps the policy debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 @No Excuses I swear i fell asleep on this for same reason that this format is useless and isnt helping. Theres too many candidates to put them on the stage and not have time to ask them all the same question, I've been better off looking for full length interviews of the candidates. I watch the Joe Rogan one on Bernie the other day, not who I want to be president, but a chance for him to respond to challenges that aren specificly designed for TV ratings. I'm severely disappointed Washington Post put their name on that crap last night, these arent debates, these are episodes of a reality tv show. DNC needs to step back and think about what actually is going to help because all the candidates are complaining about this format, which was trying to figure out how to take a format that doesnt make sense and make it work for that manner candidates at the same time. Jus stop, it's not working, all they doing is giving the GOP campaign ads right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 There need to be less candidates, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, Springfield said: There need to be less candidates, for one. Yep. Until the field is down to 3-5 candidates the debates will offer little more than soundbites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 @visionary have you had a chance to see this interview? This bothers me because again she prioritizes a pragmatic approach to foreign policy, but I still Joe let her get away too much on the narrative on her meeting with Assad. We need someone that is not afraid to meet with folks without conditions, but emphasizing him not wanting other people interfering while not touching how far hed gone with war crimes is still jus trying to hard to normalize their existence. She cant win calling out Dems the way she does like she did last night and party not caring about her constituents, but shes dead on concerning picking and choosing which authoritarian governments are our friends and enemies and the whole world seeing right through it. Shes not the candidate to lead that discussion, shes disqualified herself, I agree with you on that, but that conversation has to be had This is from a couple months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 When it comes to debating Trump, the key is going to drop the philosophy and come with a strategy to point out that Trump is constantly lying but give examples and facts to explain his lies. We know Trump is just going to go up there and say usual nonsense like "best economy ever" so the Dem nominee needs to explain why that statement is absolute nonsense. They need to bring up that the only major legislation passed under his watch is the tax cuts, which did nothing for the economy and went primarily to the most wealthy who in turn just used it to further enrich themselves, then you can explain why that economic plan has never and will never work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Makes you think 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Haley billed as 'frontrunner' for 2024 GOP nomination ****, you Trump grovelling lackey; you will never be president. If Trump wins reelections, Trump will decide who the 2024 nominee. He will throw his support to that candidate. True, Trump has a poor record endorsing candidates but when the likely candidate being his son: Don Jr. or daughter: Ivanka; his idiotic supporters will throw their support and votes to them. Crushing the rest of the GOP field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I like Amy klobachar’s issues page on her website and I watched her on msnbc. I seem to like her what am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, tshile said: I like Amy klobachar’s issues page on her website and I watched her on msnbc. I seem to like her what am I missing? She’s not radical enough to be one of the cool kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The GOP motto from here on forward should just be "except for Trump" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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