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The Evil Genius Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I wonder if a Biden/Buttigieg could 1) work and 2) appeal to both moderate and liberal dems. Biden would definitely offset any losses from minority voters that Mayor Pete doesn't seem to have convinced. It's an interesting combination that I hadn't even considered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, The Evil Genius said: I wonder if a Biden/Buttigieg could 1) work and 2) appeal to both moderate and liberal dems. too much glare and too many testicles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Jumbo said: too much glare and too many testicles Well I'd much prefer Warren from this group anyways...but it's not looking great right now for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Well I'd much prefer Warren from this group anyways...but it's not looking great right now for her. She's not really a -14 from last month... more like a -3 or so, losing a couple points to Bernie and Buttigieg. Last month's Q poll was a ridiculous outlier for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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88Comrade2000 Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 SNL's skit of Debate #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: I wonder if a Biden/Buttigieg could 1) work and 2) appeal to both moderate and liberal dems. Biden would definitely offset any losses from minority voters that Mayor Pete doesn't seem to have convinced. It's an interesting combination that I hadn't even considered... Not sure we need two white dudes. Also the left seems to really dislike both of them so that doesn’t seem helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneMessedUp Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Can someone please explain to me again how M4A is the key to defeating Donald Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: I wonder if a Biden/Buttigieg could 1) work and 2) appeal to both moderate and liberal dems. Biden would definitely offset any losses from minority voters that Mayor Pete doesn't seem to have convinced. It's an interesting combination that I hadn't even considered... No to all of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoneMessedUp Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Btw i find it hilarious that the two candidates who are "running in the wrong primary" according to the leftist populists are now now leading said primary. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Burgold Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 There is part of me that is curious to discover if a homosexual male is more palatable to the American electorate than a straight female. I'm not sure if it would mean anything, but it's interesting. Mind you, if they go with the straight white grifter rapist male again over any of the other choices... well, that does mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 How am I supposed to feel that there are candidates that are so against M4A that its causing people to change their minds on if it's a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redskinss Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Renegade7 said: How am I supposed to feel that there are candidates that are so against M4A that its causing people to change their minds on if it's a good idea? I want medicare for all but it absolutely has to abolish private insurance. I'll be furious if my taxes go up considerably to cover m4a but I don't qualify for it for whatever reason and I still have to pay an obscene amount of money for my private insurance. Bernie is the only candidate who is even willing to bring this up, the rest just dodge it because they dont want to lose the voters who want to keep their private insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, redskinss said: I want medicare for all but it absolutely has to abolish private insurance. I'll be furious if my taxes go up considerably to cover m4a but I don't qualify for it for whatever reason and I still have to pay an obscene amount of money for my private insurance. Bernie is the only candidate who is even willing to bring this up, the rest just dodge it because they dont want to lose the voters who want to keep their private insurance. I'm lost for words on Warren now, and at this point, I'm with you on prioritizing what directly affects me over getting folks elected. I tried that in 2016, I'm done, my insurance through my employer has more then doubled adding my wife to it. For anyone saying that's to be expected, I'd say I hate my employer based insurance and how much it costs. They only gave me two choices, the other cheaper one had a deductible of $3000, that's three times what it was when I was by myself. This is BS. I havent seen anyway in either the senate or house bill how you wouldnt be eligible for MFA if you're a US Citizen, and would recommend looking at the docs floating around on the tax plans to pay for this and how it directly affects you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 hours ago, StillUnknown said: How refreshing. A candidate gets called, in print, a "lying mother****er," and rather than attacking the author on Twitter, he picks up the phone and has a substantive conversation where he listens to the author's point of view. https://www.theroot.com/pete-buttigieg-called-me-heres-what-happened-1840055464 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 The author is also a huge asshole. Adopting the racially divisive rhetoric of your opposition is not a good strategy if your goal is to work towards ending racism. You can call out the bull**** of white people without broadly painting the identity as a problem itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 17 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Well I'd much prefer Warren from this group anyways...but it's not looking great right now for her. i like a lot about warren but---and i understand this is going out on a limb more than usual in these hard to predict times--- i think she's already done as far as actually having a real shot at the nomination....which i think she might have had a little earlier, somewhat surprisingly to me (not a slam on liz at all) i know saying neither bernie nor liz will get this nomination is hardly advancing the conversation, and their running still of course is highly pertinent to everything regarding the democratic party, but the final stop nominee-wise is a dead end for them...their relevance and real impact is the same as bernie's in 2016----moving the party closer to what gets labeled the more progressive agendas now this latest deal with pete that sounded bad for him at first---the root article by harriot---may actually become a foot in the door to expand his acceptability to more black voters by nature of how he handled it and the positive reactions that's getting all around....it was interesting to me to see rev al give pete a whole pile of kudos for how al thinks pete is addressing these very real (as al expreed it) blind spots he has shown in his grasp of and dialogues about the relevant issues around long term structural racism across social and govt institutions....pete obviously has a long way to go, but this might be a very opportune event that he can build on positively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, No Excuses said: The author is also a huge asshole. Adopting the racially divisive rhetoric of your opposition is not a good strategy if your goal is to work towards ending racism. You can call out the bull**** of white people without broadly painting the identity as a problem itself. interesting...your take on the author seems the polar opposite to a number well known widely respected public political figures of color who really praise him as a writer and an intellect...i have read only 3-4 pieces of his actual work and don't have a dog in any fight on this, but your reaction just struck me in such stark contrast to virtually every other i've heard/seen so far i like the pont you're making beyond that, though i like giving "whitey" the business pretty regularly for several reasons and while it may be a form of appropriation, i like to take that liberty as a terminally caucasian guy to make certain points in certain ways....not saying it's a completely logical/rational position, but i do it cuz i think it serves a positive in the end, given the way many people's emotions work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Nothing has changed my mind that Trump wins the electoral college, even as he loses the popular vote by 5 to 15 million. Even though it's early, I have this feeling Dems won't be united. Whoever the nominee is, won't have the full support. Bloomberg got in because he's banking on a contested convention that goes beyond the first ballot. The Dems allocate their delegates proportionally. So, if 3 to 5 candidates rack up delegates; No one will get a the required delegates to get the nomination and we got a contested convention. If the No one wins on the first ballot, I think the delegates are free to vote for whomever they want. Also, super delegates can vote after the first round. If that happens, no way Dems are united. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Buttigeig's interaction with The Root's Michael Harriot reminds me a bit of his interview with a skeptical Charlemagne Tha God a month or so ago: He gets asked tough questions about his time in South Bend by CtG starting about 6:30: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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