The Evil Genius Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Sometimes I think people align too much the idea of a bad candidate with not being elected. HRC wasn't a bad candidate. She was an unpopular electoral college candidate. She would have made an acceptable POTUS and by accounts, an effective one too. She also was a middle of the road candidate (not a fringe one) that should have won against an extremist like Trump. Unless you accept that the GOP has become an extremist party since 2009 (it has...maybe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simmsy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 4 hours ago, The Evil Genius said: Sometimes I think people align too much the idea of a bad candidate with not being elected. HRC wasn't a bad candidate. She was an unpopular electoral college candidate. She would have made an acceptable POTUS and by accounts, an effective one too. She also was a middle of the road candidate (not a fringe one) that should have won against an extremist like Trump. Unless you accept that the GOP has become an extremist party since 2009 (it has...maybe). I wanted Bernie, I still wanted Bernie. However, I still voted for Hillary because I had no doubt she would be a competent president. I don't understand how people could NOT like her, look at Trump, but see him as the better option. its mind blowing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Simmsy said: I wanted Bernie, I still wanted Bernie. However, I still voted for Hillary because I had no doubt she would be a competent president. I don't understand how people could NOT like her, look at Trump, but see him as the better option. its mind blowing... In the last 32 elections, there have been only 3 other candidates (Nixon in 1960, Gore, Kerry) who got a higher percentage of the vote and still lost the EC. Only one of those other 3 actually got more votes than their opponent (Gore, like HRC did in 2016). I fear we are heading into a very bad direction where the plurality of voters are overruled by smaller states with overinflated EC power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: In the last 32 elections, there have been only 3 other candidates (Nixon in 1960, Gore, Kerry) who got a higher percentage of the vote and still lost the EC. Only one of those other 3 actually got more votes than their opponent (Gore, like HRC did in 2016). I fear we are heading into a very bad direction where the plurality of voters are overruled by smaller states with overinflated EC power. The GOP knows this, thats why you won't see a red state drop the the EC or stop gerrymandering. I can't tell you how proud I am to watch Virginia turn blue, I'm still around the "country folk" (and they're not bad people), but I'm happy to see the push into what i feel is the right direction. I got into a debate with a Trump supporter just the other day, I asked her "what do you like that he's done?". I won't go into too much, but she didn't have an arguement or even facts, she didn't respond to facts. How do you reason with someone who doesn't even understand reason? if you like the guy, thats fine, but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining...and then call it "fake news". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Springfield Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 When is the debate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Springfield said: When is the debate? Wed and Thursday 9 best coast time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Bernie Sanders is running on a plan to bail out rich kids https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bernie-sanders-is-running-on-a-plan-to-bail-out-rich-kids/2019/06/25/0fd67d72-96bc-11e9-830a-21b9b36b64ad_story.html?utm_term=.0f14a187bf5e Quote AS DEMOCRATIC presidential candidates prepared for their first debate Wednesday night, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) unveiled a sweeping plan to cancel $1.6 trillion in student debt (apparently including loans by private banks, as well as federal loans) owed by some 45 million people. Funded by $2.4 trillion in taxes on financial transactions over 10 years, Mr. Sanders’s plan would accompany another proposal to guarantee tuition-free public colleges and trade schools. This goes well beyond the already ambitious debt-relief plan of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — which may be no coincidence. Mr. Sanders has been losing ground to her in the polls and needs to rekindle voter interest. Alas, despite its progressive packaging, Mr. Sanders’s proposal is a formula for a massive upward redistribution of the nation’s limited resources. Two-thirds of students who earned a four-year degree in 2017 borrowed to pay for school, according to the College Board, with the average bachelor’s degree recipient owing $28,500 upon graduation. This burden undoubtedly makes it more difficult for many of them to purchase big-ticket items such as houses or cars. Still, borrowing for college is an investment in one’s own human capital that pays off over a lifetime — to the tune of $1 million more in earnings compared with those who finish only high school. What’s more, better-off households owe a slightly disproportionate share of all student debt: The top 25 percent owe 34 percent of the money, according to data compiled by economist Sandy Baum of the Urban Institute. People with graduate and professional degrees — usually high earners — accounted for 26 percent of borrowers but 48 percent of debt. In the 2015-2016 school year, 38 percent of all new borrowing was contracted by 17 percent of households to pay for graduate and professional education. In short, the democratic socialist candidate is running on a plan to bail out doctors, lawyers and their children to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars — while touting it as middle-class payback for the 2008 Wall Street bailout. Yes, Mr. Sanders would pay for his plans with a tax that fell mostly on the investing class; the point, however, is not the origin of the money but the alternative uses to which the money might be put. In that regard, it makes no sense to transfer so much of the revenue from one group of well-off people to another, when you could spend the $2.4 trillion on, say, pre-K schooling for poor children, college assistance for low-income young adults — or any of several other worthy public purposes whose benefits would reach a needier swath of the American population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, visionary said: <br> The system is obviously rigged against *checks notes*, a millionaire white man serving in the US Senate. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 It's a great opportunity for Beto and Warren to make their case. Tomorrow night could be a **** show with everybody duking it out and gunning for Biden. Beto and especially Warren have the opportunity to steal a lot of thunder from tomorrow's debate with the more big names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, No Excuses said: The system is obviously rigged against *checks notes*, a millionaire white man serving in the US Senate. 😂 But he's still not as picked on as Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 So when does Bernie add that (D) after his name? Only if he wins the nomination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Trump raising so much money from the extremely well heeled might be a negative if Democrats use it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simmsy Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Trump raising so much money from the extremely well heeled might be a negative if Democrats use it correctly. He raised 24 million I believe in in 24 hours, more than the top 5 Dems running combined in their time. However, 10 of the came directly from the GOP coffers. The DNC (for now) will not donate to a candidate unless they win the primary. If you take that into consideration, along with the fact that a lot of them don't take corporate money...eh...not that impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Why is everyone going after Biden? you can do that later. Right now you need to be better than the field. Go after the field. Or better yet just pitch yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, tshile said: Why is everyone going after Biden? you can do that later. Right now you need to be better than the field. Go after the field. Or better yet just pitch yourself I've wondered that also. Some of these folks could end up looking like the Dems who helped re-elect whatshisfatface. Can't tell who they are for. Just they are against Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, tshile said: Why is everyone going after Biden? you can do that later. Right now you need to be better than the field. Go after the field. Or better yet just pitch yourself I get where you're going with this, but I really do believe part of it is because he's the candidate that reminds everyone the most of Hillary. Believe its deeper then him being the front runner, he's the closest thing to status quo of the candidates and the last two major elections (2016 and 2018) have said the people don't want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, tshile said: Why is everyone going after Biden? you can do that later. Right now you need to be better than the field. Go after the field. Or better yet just pitch yourself frontrunner will always catch the most shots In a crowded field, its hard to get attention. Booker was having a hard time getting traction before his little dust up with Joe. No saying that was the reason he did it, because I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I feel like if 90% of the non-Biden candidates are going after Biden, they’ll be lost and the headline will be about Biden being attacked. You’re competing with everyone to be better at competing with Biden. It’s a chance to be the one that did something different and is a different headline that includes only you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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