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Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread


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55 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Should have said potential foreign lenders. my bad. Seems likely at least a portion of it is though based on what we know of his deutsche bank stuff

 

With Trump keeping at least two accounting books, one devaluing real property for lower tax rates/tax bills and another upvaluing real property for loan purposes, as has been reported for years, United States banks will not lend him money because of disclosure rules subject to federal prosecution if discovered, he gets his loans from private investors and foreign banks. Deutsche Bank is his main bank lender as has been reported. In fact, it's the only foreign bank supoenaed in recent lawsuits.

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i don’t wear the hat  jumbo wears, but I like to pretend sometimes. 
 

I think one of the more obvious things about trump, and something that’s a foundation for all of the many ways he acts or things he says, is that the man is deeply insecure. I don’t know him personally but the amount I’ve seen him gives me confidence to say I don’t recall ever coming across anyone nearly as insecure as this person. His power (money, connections, whatever) has allowed him to be this way. 
 

but I think his biggest insecurity is about his wealth. If I had to bet, I’m betting he was one of those sons of a rich guy that was such a ****ing idiot no one trusted him with responsibility and everyone assumed he’d squander his share. He was probably the equivalent of “we’re putting it in a fund he can’t touch till he’s 35 cause we don’t trust him” except his dad had so much money it didn’t really matter. 
 

anyways. My thought is that the best thing Biden can do is to hammer on that insecurity. I think it’ll make trump go nuts. During the debate and after. 
 

thinks like asking if he needs money for an Uber ride home, I like (though he has the chance to say he has secrete service and minimize that)

 

stay away from overly complex shots - like funding his business operations by forcing money to spent at his resorts. Stick to the easy stuff. Stuff that people understand in the moment, stuff that sends him into a tirade. 

expose him (I mean we know but we also know who these debates are) as petty, insecure, etc. 

 

his staff shouldn’t have any problem doing this. 

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The irony of all of this is that if trump didn’t spend so much time attacking institutions and doing such a bad job, he probably could have gotten away with it all. 
 

pro tip: if you’re engaged in illegal activity on a massive scale, you might be better off not publicly attacking every institution that would have abilities to investigate you. 
 

if Trump had just been a “normal” President lacking in being polished, he’d probably get away with it. But he’s spent years attacking law enforcement etc. I’m sure the people running all the investigations are just super anxious waiting for their chance to get him. 

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2 hours ago, Fergasun said:

@PleaseBlitz

"Fake news" and "I'm a smart businessman".... his supporters have been dumb enough to buy that for years...why wouldn't it continue to work?  

 

I just browsed to right sympathetic websites sites to see how this is being spun... "no russian link!!", "nothing illegal!!.  

 

Websites sites...is that anything like ATM machine? lol

 

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1 hour ago, Dan T. said:

CNN ain't pulling any punches...

 

Headline at the top of cnn.com:

 

Tax bombshell reveals Trump's image is a sham

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/28/politics/donald-trump-taxes-election-2020-joe-biden-debate/index.html

 

 


CNN is a sham. Got Trump elected. Head of network was personally coaching him. But now it’s good business to hate Trump. 
 


 

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this is just another tea cup poured into the cesspool that is trumpworld, but imagine how all the trumpsters online would be spastically slamming it if a major player in biden's political advisory/campaign circle had pulled a parscsale...mindless puddlebathers

 

the tax story won't affect that same level rally-going type either, but it likely will matter to some folks farther up the intelligence chain in some segments of 2016 trump-voting demographics (inc hard working lower/middle income reg-voter types across several other demographics)

 

 

within that group, evidence to the extent it exists and personal experience suggests a number of them are fighting those very real strong lifelong leanings that still powerfully 'pin' them more to the gop, even with trump and all they may not like that comes with him (unlike never-trumpers)...and whatever their level of angst is over the conflict, the negatives of trump as they evaluate them (therein lies the rub) has not yet  been enough for them to 'go over' to the dems/left/biden

 

(which i still find reflective of a poor analytical and moral compass )

 

 

but now that it's out in the open and not just another negative-trump speculation, and the conversation is everywhere and gaining a lot of substantive legs quickly, i could see an anger over this tax stuff resulting...it's now being made more concrete and spotlit, and maybe becoming a more real and more personal kind of offense to them  (cuz abusing children wasn't) a.......'financial resentment' would expectedly be something they have felt many times and would spring forth here....one can hope....money trumps principles most of the time so i'm saying there's a chance...

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2 hours ago, tshile said:

but I think his biggest insecurity is about his wealth.
 

anyways. My thought is that the best thing Biden can do is to hammer on that insecurity. I think it’ll make trump go nuts. During the debate and after. 
 

expose him as petty, insecure, etc. 

 

 

 

Donald Trump was the subject of a Comedy Central roast in 2011.  If you've seen any of those, you know the jokes can be absolutely brutal.  

 

More than one writer has said that just about everything was fair game with Trump- except for ONE subject.  They could joke about his hair, his wives, his infidelity, his weight, his failed casinos and his other failed businesses... hell, they could even joke about his sick attraction to his daughter Ivanka.

 

The ONE THING they could not joke about? ANY joke that suggested Trump was not as wealthy as he claimed to be.

 

https://www.vulture.com/2016/08/donald-trump-roast-off-limits-joke.html

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Man, the Pistols were always trolls as much as punks. The whole game was to tweak people's ideas about punk authenticity. "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

 

I've thought about this a lot over the years, as someone raised Dischord-adjacent at least. So many right-wingers claim to embrace this "**** you, I won't do what you tell me" variant of punk attitude. It's all about not having to be accountable for your actions or having to listen to the experiences of other people. 

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Not that we are completely shocked by any of this, but I imagine these tax records would have likely had a bigger impact in 2016 before we had 4 years of Trump supporters conditioned to use any factual information of his wrong-doing as an opportunity to dig in and support him even more blindly.   I still think this could affect some voters as evidenced by the fact that polls are showing Biden up almost across the board, but seriously, the American people should never accept another candidate for President that refuses to release his or her tax returns. 

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1 minute ago, NoCalMike said:

Not that we are completely shocked by any of this, but I imagine these tax records would have likely had a bigger impact in 2016 before we had 4 years of Trump supporters conditioned to use any factual information of his wrong-doing as an opportunity to dig in and support him even more blindly.   I still think this could affect some voters as evidenced by the fact that polls are showing Biden up almost across the board, but seriously, the American people should never accept another candidate for President that refuses to release his or her tax returns. 

 

 

Yea, I mean at this point, Trump's supporter's standard for conduct that would get them to think twice about fully supporting him is always one level above whatever awful thing he did that day, so functionally there is no standard.  It's just a reflex for them after 5 years of thinking that way.  I think this mostly impacts voters (probably suburban women mostly) that usually vote GOP but have decided they can't vote for Trump, but are shaky on that stance.  This is another addition to their permission structure that it is okay to vote for a Dem, just this once, because of the litany of issues specific to Trump. 

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