PleaseBlitz Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 If his campaign has any skill, we’ll also start seeing a slew of “remember this....” pieces about the dozens of women who say Trump has sexually assaulted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 hours ago, tshile said: move read your other responses. but I wanted to quote this post. Because it has the quote. Let me re-read up on the actual rewritten or deleted parts tomorrow. I didn't see that it was actual facts that were removed or rewritten (which, if they were wrong, absolutely should be corrected). And, as such, noted in the article that or was edited (which, allegedly it wasn't). My pet peeve is the media, how honest and factual they are, and how things are framed for effect. I shudder at the general thought that a prestigious outlet like the NYT would (allegedly) stealth edit an editor approved article in general- it should be noted somewhere in the article, if it wasn't. I think this may be one of those things that are perceived differently by different people but I could have my facts wrong as well. Appreciate the feedback, though, as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 If the Trump standard is what the American people go by, Biden can simply come out and deny it, hurl some insults towards the accuser and his support will go up by 20% In all seriousness though, this accusation against Biden is really bringing back to light how Trump basically skated right by similar accusations from dozens of women during his 2016 campaign. The only one that was properly vetted/investigated was the Stormy Daniels claim and that was mostly because of a media whore of an attorney and Stormy Daniels not really concerned with any blow back. When all was said and done she was proven to be telling the truth and for her efforts she was harassed and arrested wrongfully while working. This one even has similarities to Ford's accusation against Kavanaugh where it is on record that she spoke to others about it years ago before there could have been any foresight that he would be a Supreme Court justice nominee. None of that was good enough for Trump supporters or the GOP at large though. Now as a lefty mcleftist, I am certainly not giving Biden a pass on this or willing to "go along to get along." If the guy did it he should be forced to drop out immediately and we will have to deal with the ramifications of the Democrats putting forth another flawed candidate. One thing about the accusation coming out now in this fashion is that it is not like Biden just finished a hard fought battle and was named the nominee. He was pretty much handed it 18 months ago for all intents & purposes, if the accusation goes public back when he decides to jump in the race, there is a good chance he doesn't survive it and the Dems move on to another nominee. The timing of the decision to wait until there is a little chance a different nominee could come in an build a solid base of support big enough to take on Trump seems a tad.....peculiar? I thought I read or heard that the accuser is saying she is a "life long Democrat" or something along those lines. Hard to believe she didn't know exactly what the results would be by going public now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: If the Trump standard is what the American people go by, Biden can simply come out and deny it, hurl some insults towards the accuser and his support will go up by 20% It pains me to post this. If Joe came on, I said no, he persisted, and got a knee to the nuts...he'd more than likely back TF off. A knee to the nuts would give trump a goal...kinda like his goal of being an NFL team owner. Look what he's done to our league...berating players for what he'd have to back them for if he were an owner. Seriously?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Stormy daniels had nothing to do with sexual assault. That was a consensual transaction. @NoCalMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 For TWA. As Biden struggles, Hillary waits for the call >>> Hillary Clinton continues to hover in the wings, ready to step forward should Joe Biden fail. Don’t look now, but Joe is failing. Not only has his campaign been rocked by sexual assault allegations from one-time staffer Tara Reade, but the public is beginning to give up on the former vice president. A new Emerson College poll showed 57 percent of likely voters think President Trump will win reelection in November....<<< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 57 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: Stormy daniels had nothing to do with sexual assault. That was a consensual transaction. @NoCalMike Yeah I should have worded that better to separate Stormy from the sexual assault accusations, I was sloppy in not discerning that because I was more focused on just grouping together things he's lied about (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I read that as just "groping" together. Damn. Thought we could get through one cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rufus T Firefly Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, PleaseBlitz said: If his campaign has any skill, we’ll also start seeing a slew of “remember this....” pieces about the dozens of women who say Trump has sexually assaulted them. That's why he should get ahead of this. As of now, he'd be on the defensive against Trump. You treat her and the accusation respectfully, deal with it as thoroughly as you can, and then you can go after Trump for his "issues" with women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 11 hours ago, goskins10 said: This is not directed at you but more to the tweet itself: We are supposed to be better than that. The argument many trump supporters use for most anything trump does is well hillary did it, well obama did it, well just fill in the blank. What's of course lost is that most times they are either just not true or a very weak comparison. But mostly, if it was wrong when say Hillary did it, is it not still wrong when trump does it? It, whatever "it" is, is either wrong or not. It's not person dependent. So just because trump will not do the right thing is not a good reason for Joe to not do the right thing. Its not just that. It also robs Trump of the allegation that Biden has something to hide, and sets up a pretty good gotcha moment in the debate. When Trumps dumbass inevitably projects and accuses Biden of having something to hide, Biden can respond, "All my records are open. You wont even open your taxes. Which one of us hiding something. Booooyah" and then drop the mic and leave the stage. At least thats how it happens in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koala Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Rufus T Firefly said: Which is why, as much as I despised the idea of nominating Biden, I am horrified by the thought of him having to step down now. It would, as I said earlier, bring up the no-win scenario of nominating Bernie or giving his supporters cause to tear the party apart over how the nom was "stolen" from him. It's a nightmare possibility. To be clear, I think there's about a 0.01% chance he'll have to step down. But just why is nominating Bernie automatically a no win scenario. Hes been beating Trump by the same margin as Biden in every single poll that was taken before he suspended his campaign. And Bernie would absolutely destroy Trump in any debate, much worse than Biden would -- Biden sucks in debates. It took Biden like two months to fully recover from his last debate outing. Oh and btw, with unemployment through the roof and COVId19 destroying the economy, some of crazy Bernie's socialist ideas arent gonna seem so crazy anymore. Maybe the best spot for Bernie is as VP. He can work on some of his "radical" ideas in the background, and let the centrist Biden allay fears that were going communist. But no, thats not gonna even be considered, because Democrats are so irrationally scared of the wing of the party that has any ideas, backbone, or actual beliefs. God I hate Democrats (not directed at you Rufus, or anyone in particular). Although I do understand peoples fears of having 74 year old BP when there may be health concerns about Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Koala said: But just why is nominating Bernie automatically a no win scenario. Hes been beating Trump by the same margin as Biden in every single poll that was taken before he suspended his campaign. And Bernie would absolutely destroy Trump in any debate, much worse than Biden would -- Biden sucks in debates. It took Biden like two months to fully recover from his last debate outing. Oh and btw, with unemployment through the roof and COVId19 destroying the economy, some of crazy Bernie's socialist ideas arent gonna seem so crazy anymore. Maybe the best spot for Bernie is as VP. He can work on some of his "radical" ideas in the background, and let the centrist Biden allay fears that were going communist. But no, thats not gonna even be considered, because Democrats are so irrationally scared of the wing of the party that has any ideas, backbone, or actual beliefs. God I hate Democrats. First off, you misunderstood what I was calling a 'no win scenario'. Bernie isn't a definite loser to Trump, just the most likely Dem to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. He is NOT doing as well as Biden in the polls vs Trump. He was once upon a time, but that was no longer the case by the time he dropped out. He was fading, because people had just started to get a taste of the "Castro isn't that bad" crap that goes with him. The amount of stuff the GOP were going to pull out from oppo research would be immense. He would get positively drowned in all the pro-communist crap from his past. What his poll numbers looked like are meaningless, what matters is what would happen after 6 months of hearing about Bernie's love of the Castros and Hugo Chavez, his "honeymoon in Moscow, etc. And all from a candidate who doesn't have the sense to tone down that rhetoric when confronted with it. Not to mention him being a 79 year old coming off heart attack who was hiding his medical records, reneging on his own promise. And the party was fine with a progressive. Elizabeth Warren had plenty of party support, she was winning among suburban and educated women, and there was momentum moving entirely her way But what happened? Too large a percentage of the left couldn't let go of their binky Bernie, and the rest of the voters weren't going to tie themselves to such a terrible candidate. But keep ranting about conspiracies. That way the Berniots don't have to be accountable for handing the nomination to Biden, which is what they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 It would look bad if Bernie or his supporters pushed him into the nomination after he was crushed by Biden over and over. It would look like Bernie and co. subverted the will of the electorate after he lost or put himself back in as the nominee. This is even more the case because this current situation (though obviously not it’s origin) has been pushed and dragged along by Bernie supporters online and in left-wing media. Now that said, if Bernie does end up as the nominee somehow, I hope to God he and his...campaign people (oh boy) have learned some lessons and actually reach out to work with other well-liked politicians and the ‘establishment.’ If not, I can’t imagine what his cabinet would look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Koala said: But just why is nominating Bernie automatically a no win scenario. Hes been beating Trump by the same margin as Biden in every single poll that was taken before he suspended his campaign. And Bernie would absolutely destroy Trump in any debate, much worse than Biden would -- Biden sucks in debates. It took Biden like two months to fully recover from his last debate outing. Bernie did good in the polling but somewhat underperformed in the primaries. Biden has I think out performed his polling after the others dropped out. This is partly due to bringing in crossover Dems and even longtime Reps. Bernie has unfortunately struggled to even get his own base out to vote, though he has done perhaps better than expected with young minority voters. Biden was pretty mixed in debates, but never really hurt himself much. He actually did pretty well against Bernie though, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Biden will be on MoJoe at 8 am to address the allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, visionary said: It would look bad if Bernie or his supporters pushed him into the nomination after he was crushed by Biden over and over. It would look like Bernie and co. subverted the will of the electorate after he lost or put himself back in as the nominee. This is even more the case because this current situation (though obviously not it’s origin) has been pushed and dragged along by Bernie supporters online and in left-wing media. Now that said, if Bernie does end up as the nominee somehow, I hope to God he and his...campaign people (oh boy) have learned some lessons and actually reach out to work with other well-liked politicians and the ‘establishment.’ If not, I can’t imagine what his cabinet would look like. I am not playing typo police here as I am the very worst but don't you mean Right wing media? After Bernie's people made it an issue the right wing media ran with it. At least that's how it appeared to me. if it was left wing media i would be interested to see who that was. But I seriously doubt Biden will be made to step down. Unless there is specific documentation that support her claims of rape then he should not be made to. There are apparently papers that will clear this up. They should be produced. We looked at this from the negative side the other day. But there is a potential huge positive side. The papers if produced will have 3 possible outcomes - two are actually good for Biden politically and the other I would want to know about. if they confirm he raped her that needs to be known and appropriate action needs to be taken. However, the other two - and in my mind the much more likely outcomes - that they are either inconclusive or they are the same inappropriate touching. If so, this will mostly blow over and no one will be listening to the far right-wing nuts who will continue to rail on the issue. Only those who will be voting for trump no matter what happens will hold on to it. Everyone else will move on. I am not condoning Biden's inappropriate touching over the years, but it is just not the same as what he is being accused of by Reade. Further, the party will not let Bernie be the nominee no matter what happens to Biden and they should not. Bernie did not even do as well as he did in the 2016 primaries. So even if early polls show him ahead of trump, those are likely to change if he gets the actual nomination. He will lose many self proclaimed moderates. They will either vote for trump or not vote like they did with Hillary. Bernie had his chance and he was rejected by voters. 2nd to last man standing is not reason to give him the nomination. He was getting thumped pretty bad and many of the other candidates had dropped out. The good news as i see it, unlike in 2016 I do not think the dem nominee needs the bernie supporters as much as Hillary did. First, they are a smaller group. Also, there are what I think (admittedly this is anecdotal) are a lot of people who voted for trump or who did not vote thinking "i hate Hillary and trump can't be any worse" that are rethinking that decision and are ready to vote against trump. Some will make the same mistake again but many i believe will not. So not appeasing his supporters will not have the same scale of a negative effect as it did in 2016. It would be better to have them but not devastating without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, visionary said: Now that said, if Bernie does end up as the nominee somehow, I hope to God he and his...campaign people (oh boy) have learned some lessons and actually reach out to work with other well-liked politicians and the ‘establishment.’ "I hope Trump will grow into the job." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, goskins10 said: Unless there is specific documentation that support her claims of rape I'd probably still vote for him over Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Renegade7 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Another reason Biden shouldn't even entertain the idea of dropping out, how many women have accused Trump now and how has he addressed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Mica was tough on Joe which is fine, I think her point and one she and Joe talked about much earlier this morning is that you cant litigate in the media and due process must take place. She said this was the position of their show and has been for the duration and then they showed several clips from the show during the Kavanaugh hearings that backed up their belief, basically patting themselves on the back but at the same time subliminally saying "be careful what you say because it might come back to haunt you". They went on to say they were disgusted with how many in the liberal media handled the Kavanaugh case. That kind of set things up for her interview with Joe which was an hour later. She feels Joe said every woman should be believed and to me, she seemed frustrated that he said that but Joe had a different recollection of what he said. He believed he said that every woman should be heard and then due process needs to take place, I don't think Mica agreed that was his previous position. I think people are worried and they should be, I think she's fearful that whatever Joe said in the past will come back to haunt him and she's probably correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I got the same vibe. I've been watching since when they were showing the Kavanaugh clips...patting themselves on the back, indeed. It was a little weird, Mika went at him harder than she needed to. And I hate hearing her sigh all damn morning. Go ahead, kids. Get the orange fool elected again. 🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 9 hours ago, NoCalMike said: Yeah I should have worded that better to separate Stormy from the sexual assault accusations, I was sloppy in not discerning that because I was more focused on just grouping together things he's lied about (allegedly) It’s tough to keep all of his malfeasance straight due to the sheer volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Here's an article about the Biden accusation. Form your own opinion. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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