Llevron Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Springfield said: I think it’s more likely that people would hold their nose and vote Bernie than Bernie voters would hold their nose and vote for someone else. Bernie isn’t my first choice but I’d gladly vote for him in November. I think polling that the most important thing to Democrats is who CAN beat Trump helps to confirm this. It means that the most important thing is beating Trump, and that doesn't change because of Sanders. At least that's what I would take from that. I could be dead wrong tho Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbit Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Llevron said: I think polling that the most important thing to Democrats is who CAN beat Trump helps to confirm this. It means that the most important thing is beating Trump, and that doesn't change because of Sanders. At least that's what I would take from that. I could be dead wrong tho the problem is not concerning yourselves with who "democrats" will vote for. The independents and old school Republicans are what you need to be after. Bernie doesn't just scare the **** out of moderate democrats, scares the **** out of basically everybody without a student loan Edited February 20, 2020 by Gibbit 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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tshile Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 hours ago, TheDoyler23 said: I wonder if it's a mistake to go all in to attack Bloomberg. if you’re suffering in the polls then don’t. Let sanders butigieg and Biden take shots at him. work on yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
Jumbo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 three of the many reasons i hope joe fades away quickly "here's the thing" "the fact of the matter" "#1 yada, yada, #2 blah blah, #3....." (changes topic) 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
visionary Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Warren will likely go hard at Bloomberg, to try to draw away uncommitted Sanders voters and it's kind of her thing anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
nonniey Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Springfield said: I think it’s more likely that people would hold their nose and vote Bernie than Bernie voters would hold their nose and vote for someone else. Bernie isn’t my first choice but I’d gladly vote for him in November. Well, when Larry of all people says he won't vote for Bernie then I think it may be an issue. Edited February 20, 2020 by nonniey Link to post Share on other sites
Springfield Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, nonniey said: Well, when Larry of all people says he won't for Bernie then I think it may be an issue. I’d bet a small bundle of ones that we could later use at a gentlemen’s club that Larry would suck it up and vote for Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump. Link to post Share on other sites
visionary Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Springfield said: I’d bet a small bundle of ones that we could later use at a gentlemen’s club that Larry would suck it up and vote for Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump. I misread this for a moment.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tshile Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Springfield said: First tweet I saw. Sums it up pretty well. I’m just throwing this out there... based on what I know I’d venture to guess whatever time things are happening, as a coordinated effort, relates to when they would get the most traction/eyes/etc not what time it is in Moscow. There’s no way a foreign power running that level of operation is catering to when people in Moscow typical work and there’s no way anyone smart enough to do social engineering would ignore times when things trend the most to your advantage, to do it at a time that’s convenient for them. Edited February 20, 2020 by tshile Link to post Share on other sites
Larry Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, nonniey said: Well, when Larry of all people says he won't for Bernie then I think it may be an issue. 20 minutes ago, Springfield said: I’d bet a small bundle of ones that we could later use at a gentlemen’s club that Larry would suck it up and vote for Bernie Sanders vs Donald Trump. I thought we had a rule here, about the use of Comic Sans font. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 38 minutes ago, Gibbit said: the problem is not concerning yourselves with who "democrats" will vote for. The independents and old school Republicans are what you need to be after. Bernie doesn't just scare the **** out of moderate democrats, scares the **** out of basically everybody without a student loan Don't waste your breath. I made this point a while ago and was told the Dems don't need the vote of people like me. If they nominate Bernie, I guess we'll find out if they're right. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dan T. Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 "Based on Internet advertising alone, both Michael Bloomberg and the Shen Yun Dancers qualified to participate in the debate." 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nonniey Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Renegade7 said: 72% of Democratic voters believe Bernie Sanders would beat Trump in 2020 election, new poll shows https://www.newsweek.com/72-democratic-voters-believe-bernie-sanders-would-beat-trump-2020-election-new-poll-shows-1488010 Would? I think he could, but after being burned in 2016 I'd stay away from verbs like would or will. Edited February 20, 2020 by nonniey Link to post Share on other sites
Renegade7 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, nonniey said: Would? I think he could, but after being burned in 2016 I'd stay away from verbs like would or will. Context, theres a lot more people that believe Bernie can win them think hes wasting our time. Link to post Share on other sites
Llevron Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Yall get so sensitive over this idea that the Dems aren’t trying to get moderates and Republicans. There are clearly some that do want your votes and are willing to elect a Republican to do it. It’s not that you are not wanted. A lot of people want to move the country more left and are willing to take the chance to do it without your help if they have to. I’m sure they would welcome you if you wanted to be a part of that. But just like you have a choice to play along or not, they have a choice to shoot their shot while they have this chance to run against the worst President in history. Can’t really blame them for trying imo. Right now now he is polling as well as could be imagined so you can’t really say it’s impossible for him to win anymore. Independents hate Trump more then they are scared of Burnie. And really no one far enough left to hope for sanders is deluding themselves about old school republicans. You really shouldn’t need everyone but the Trumpers to beat Trump. That’s just silly Edited February 20, 2020 by Llevron 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tshile Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Llevron said: Yall get so sensitive over this idea that the Dems aren’t trying to get moderates and Republicans. Speaking just for me, not sensitive. more like: concerned. I think it would be better for the long term and short term health of the country if trump loses but trump being in office hasn’t really effected me. My taxes are less (until our cuts expire), but otherwise I haven’t been personally hurt by trump. but I think a lot of others have and I think it’s be better for everyone if he’s gone. I think nominating sanders makes it much harder for that to happen. but if the dems want to jump on that bandwagon, the whole time telling the rest of us “we don’t need you”, then I’m going to feel a little less bad about that group if trump wins. At a time where they should be able to court 60% of the vote rather easily, they seem to be headed towards picking the one person that has the best chance to ruin it (although that might actually be butigieg. I know we’ve come a ways in the last 15 years but I have reservations how well a gay presidential candidate would do) Edited February 20, 2020 by tshile 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jumbo Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Don't waste your breath. I made this point a while ago and was told the Dems don't need the vote of people like me. If they nominate Bernie, I guess we'll find out if they're right. you're not concerned about wasted breath...it's a message board---wasted breath is our raison d'etre you have disdain for the rebukes you did get and the attitude/thinking it suggests to you...., perfectly fine...but the reality is that only a few actually did what you said....notably more regs here indicate every week that they do worry about those votes., on top of everything else there is to worry about in the realm of vote-getting ... you know the drill---trump must go at all costs , nothing else matters as much for dems/left-learners, but the majority still feel unsure more than usual about how/who/what is the best way to get er done and the pressure is yuge i'm of the view that you try to cover all the bases best as possible but i'm up in the air as to what to strategize big-picture wise i have a lot of issues with bernie (and some love too) other than electability, but i worry about that, too nonetheless, i'm already preparing myself to compromise and tolerate even a whole bunch more than usual and even be an active bernie advocate if he gets the nomination Link to post Share on other sites
Rdskns2000 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 warren is beside Bloomberg. Let the fireworks begin. Link to post Share on other sites
tshile Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On the flip side of the argument about far left vs centrist Democrat, if the far left is going to sit out can the dem nominee still win? What if some of them vote for trump? dems are in a crappy spot. But that’s sort of always been their issue. Republicans show up to vote reliably. There’s a reliable sect within the dems, but there’s also a bunch of independent sects willing to sit it out if they feel slighted by the platform Link to post Share on other sites
tshile Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Warren raising her hand during sanders opening statement jesus she has the stage presence of a rock Link to post Share on other sites
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