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1 minute ago, Destino said:

Can the crazy Karen’s of the right please stop filming their crazy rants while driving.  We all have to die but getting taken out by some far right loon making an angry TikTok is too cruel a fate to consider.  

 

Meanwhile, I kept waiting (hoping) for her to crash into a tree.

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“I will not lie to you.” - Lying liar Laura Ingram lying to the same audience that she’s lied to for years.  Why?  Because she’s aware bigger liars at OANN and Newsmax are willing to tell even bigger lies to steal her audience.  An audience that desperately wants to be lied to.  

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It’s Time to Consider Sanctions for Trump’s Legal Team

 

Despite a definitive statement by the Department of Homeland Security that the 2020 election “was the most secure in American history,” since Election Day, lawyers supporting the Trump campaign have filed some three dozen lawsuits alleging voting irregularities in five key states. The most common legal claims are that Republican poll watchers were denied meaningful participation in the process of counting absentee and mail-in ballots and that supposedly defective Democratic votes were counted, while valid Republican votes were not.

 

So far, state and federal courts across the United States have quickly and decisively rejected the majority of these challenges for lack of a legal or factual basis. (As it stands, a running count kept by Democratic election lawyer Marc E. Elias has the GOP and Trump’s current tally as a lopsided 2–34—and the “wins” were partial.) A number of lawyers have begun to withdraw from these challenges, and cases in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania have been dropped. However, several challenges remain, and the president’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani continued to insist, as he did in federal court last Tuesday, that there had been “widespread national voter fraud,” while the lawsuits themselves don’t actually allege any specific fraud.

 

All this raises the question of the lawyers’ ethical conduct in bringing these cases in the first place. A New Jersey congressman has called for the disbarment of nearly two dozen Trump lawyers. As scholars who have devoted the better part of our professional lives to the study of legal ethics, we believe, based on the records publicly available to date, that the disciplinary case against certain of Trump’s lawyers is strong.

 

Of course, there is nothing unethical about launching a lawsuit thinking that it’s a long shot likely to fail. Lawyers cross fundamental professional boundaries, however, when they file cases that make unsubstantiated allegations of election fraud and heedlessly assist their client’s calculated effort to erode trust in our democratic system. For lawyers who have sworn to uphold the rule of law, that is an astonishing breach.

 

The ethical requirements that govern lawyers are set forth in the American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct. Though the particulars vary somewhat by state, these rules govern every lawyer practicing in the United States today and have requirements that govern the election conduct at issue. For example, Rule 3.1 states that a “lawyer shall not bring or defend a proceeding, or assert or controvert an issue therein, unless there is a basis in law and fact for doing so that is not frivolous.” Although filings are not frivolous “merely because the facts have not first been fully substantiated,” lawyers are duty-bound prior to filing to “inform themselves about the facts of their clients’ cases and the applicable law.” Moreover, lawyers have “a duty not to abuse legal procedure,” which, given the stakes in these cases, imposes a special obligation to ensure the basic accuracy and credibility of their challenges. And, under another governing provision—Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 and state-court counterparts—lawyers also can’t file suit “for an improper purpose” such as causing “unnecessary delay.”

 

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I wonder how long its going to take Q to figure out he/she/it can tell people that 4 years of Trump as POTUS and then watching the Dems publicly steal the election was always what the great awakening was supposed to be. And now that you are awake and your eyes are open.....join me every night from 7-9pm CT on OOAN on my new show, America Awakened, as we discuss the future, pedophiles and more. 

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this is one of those that could go in a couple diff threads

 

saw this story on tv and while i know it's more common than most may think i think the detail here and lay-out makes it easier for folks to get a picture of how this stuff works in so many different ways and how we need to do what we can legislatively and in pushing  politicians to reform campaign financing big time

 

it's long and i'm posting almost al of it and do recommend reading it all---i also recommend watching the 'tv version' if it comes on while you're viewing

and i recommend going to the link for a lot of supporting and informative graphs, videos, and other graphics that are relevant and helpful in getting the big picture

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/florida-dark-money-mystery-invs/index.html

 

 

A dark money mystery in Florida centers on the campaign of a spoiler candidate who appeared to help a Republican win by 32 votes

 

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A month before Election Day in Florida a mysterious company called Proclivity, Inc. contributed $550,000 to a pair of newly formed political action committees in the state. Two days later, the money flowed from the PACs to an Orlando-area print and advertising firm. Shortly thereafter, came a torrent of nearly identical political fliers seemingly intended to siphon away support from Democratic candidates by tricking voters into casting their ballots for purported spoiler candidates who demonstrated no real interest in getting elected. None, for example, engaged in typical campaigning activities or raised significant funds.

 

In one case, the mailers appear to have helped a Republican—a co-founder of Latinas For Trump—unseat the Democratic incumbent in a state Senate  race by a razor-thin margin of just 32 votes.

 

The situation, which has been generating headlines in Florida for weeks, has all the makings of a "dark money" mystery in the Sunshine State.

 

Among the key questions: What exactly is Proclivity and what was the purpose and desired effect behind its generous contributions to the two fledging PACs? And, why did those PACs support unknown candidates with no party affiliations and no real chance of winning?

 

CNN has learned that Proclivity was created in Delaware in 2019. Its president is listed in its corporate filings as Richard Alexander. Attempts to reach Alexander were unsuccessful; a phone number for the company is no longer working and its listed address is a UPS store in Atlanta. Staff at the store confirmed that Proclivity had a mailbox, but declined to provide any additional information, citing client confidentiality.

 

Though Proclivity's money paid for advertising ostensibly targeting Democratic voters, it flowed through a pair of PACs, one of which has connections to a young Republican political strategist named Alex Alvarado. Alvarado's stepfather is president of the company paid to print the fliers. The company is run out of an Orlando-area home that Alvarado's stepfather and mother own, records show.

 

Alvarado, a former congressional intern and entrepreneur, declined to be interviewed for this story. Records show that his firm, Alvarado Strategies, was paid more than $267,000 so far this year for its political work.

 

The two Florida PACs that received the Proclivity contributions were both registered on the same date and time --- October 2 at 11:34 am, according to Florida Division of Elections documents.

 

One day later, one of the PACs -- Our Florida PC -- got $370,000 from Proclivity; the other -- The Truth PC -- got $180,000.

 

The PACS are each chaired by women in their mid-20s who appear to be newcomers to the political scene. Neither woman responded to multiple messages left for them at the phone numbers listed for the PACs. Attempts to reach them through various other means were unsuccessful.

 

Sierra Olive, who is listed as chair of Our Florida PC, once shared an address with Emily Leiva, the woman with whom Alvarado currently owns a house, according to records. Olive posted a photo of herself and Leiva to Facebook in 2017 with the caption "favorite human."

 

Leiva did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

 

Some of the fliers paid for by Our Florida PC and The Truth PC contained identical language referencing typically Democratic themes such as fixing health care, fighting climate change and speaking truth to power. They were circulated in at least three state Senate races in which a non-party affiliated candidate was running in addition to a Democrat and Republican.

 

In the South Florida race featuring the Latinas for Trump candidate, the purported spoiler candidate had the same last name -- Rodriguez -- as Democratic incumbent Jose Javier Rodriguez.

 

Though he has no known history in politics and did not actively campaign, Alex Rodriguez garnered more than 6,000 votes. When questioned by a Miami TV reporter after the election, Rodriguez lied about his own identity, according to WPLG, a CNN affiliate in South Florida.

 

Rodriguez was charged with two counts of felony grand theft in 2012, according to court records. He pleaded guilty, though adjudication of the charges was withheld, the documents show.

 

In another case, Miami attorney Juan A. Sanchez said Rodriguez went missing after paying only a portion of what a judge ordered him to pay to a client in a dispute involving a worthless check.

 

"We couldn't track him down," said Sanchez, who said Rodriguez was eventually found living in Boca Raton, Florida. "He gave a sob story that he was broke and had no money."

 

The attorney said he struggles to believe that Rodriguez seriously sought to become a state senator.

"That would be something incredible," he said.

 

Alex Rodriguez did not respond to CNN's request for comment. His attorney, William Barzee, declined to comment.

 

Jose Javier Rodriguez, the incumbent state senator who lost by 32 votes, has called for a probe into Alex Rodriguez's candidacy and who is behind it.

 

"Democracy requires transparency," he said in a video shared with the media, "and in order to achieve that I believe this election warrants a full investigation."

 

Ileana Garcia, the newly elected Republican state senator, side stepped questions from CNN about her involvement -- if any -- in the other Rodriguez's campaign. "I will not allow this temper tantrum to distract from the important work ahead," Garcia said, in part, in a statement.

Erin Isaac, who serves as a spokesperson for both Garcia and Florida's Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee, said the committee had no connection to Alex Rodriguez's candidacy.

 

"Did we have anything to do with it? My answer is no," she said.

 

The Miami Herald, citing "sources with knowledge," reported last week that Miami-Dade prosecutors have launched an inquiry into Alex Rodriguez's candidacy. A spokesperson for the office declined to confirm or deny the existence of an investigation to CNN.

 

Ben Wilcox, research director of the nonpartisan watchdog group Integrity Florida, said he has no doubt that someone running a dark money campaign impacted at least one state senate seat.

 

"Florida is so loosely regulated when it comes to financing of campaigns that it's probably legal, but it really shouldn't be," Wilcox said. "It's a disservice to voters and it calls into question the integrity of our elections."

 

 

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12 hours ago, Destino said:

“I will not lie to you.” - Lying liar Laura Ingram lying to the same audience that she’s lied to for years.  Why?  Because she’s aware bigger liars at OANN and Newsmax are willing to tell even bigger lies to steal her audience.  An audience that desperately wants to be lied to.  

The segment of America who listen to people like Ingram NEED the bigger bull crap from OAN and Parlur in much the same way junkies always need more.  They crave the high mainlining Ingram and Prager U. used to give them, but now that fix just maintains.

They need the mega MAGA. The pure. Whatever level Keith Richards' demanded from his sources is what they need.

The whacked-out lunacy levels of gaslighting to recreate that high requires more than FOX News can give. 

 

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5 minutes ago, youngestson said:

The segment of America who listen to people like Ingram NEED the bigger bull crap from OAN and Parlur in much the same way junkies always need more.  They crave the high mainlining Ingram and Prager U. used to give them, but now that fix just maintains.

They need the mega MAGA. The pure. Whatever level Keith Richards' demanded from his sources is what they need.

The whacked-out lunacy levels of gaslighting to recreate that high requires more than FOX News can give. 

 

 

The Drug Addict analogy is very fitting here. Foxnews has been their dealer for so long. Now their customers want something stronger with other options out there. This could also go in the "I don't understand Trump Supporters" thread. These people aren't going to join reality today, tomorrow, next year, maybe ever. If they read a press release off of Reuters or the AP, they'd scream fake news and believe it.

 

Thankfully, they aren't shy online and the dumbest of them use their real names.

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