Presidential Election: 11/3/20 ---Now the President Elect Joe Biden Thread

[Momma There Goes That Man]

10 hours ago, Rdskns2000 said:

Trump can’t denounce white supremacy; he’d lose his base.

I really want Biden to follow up on this next debate and say “I’ve denounced white supremacy and the KKK at every turn. I’ve never embraced their dog whistles like trump has and I do not want any white supremacist to vote for me. White supremacy and racism has no place in our society and I would rather lose than receive their support. Donald, can you say the same? Do it. denounce them now and Say you don’t want the votes of white supremacists, kkk members, racists and groups like proud boys” 

[PleaseBlitz]

The debate probably didn't change many minds.  That's a win for Biden because if nothing changes dramatically, he wins.  

 

Moving on.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-mail-ballots/2020/09/29/131a06fc-0263-11eb-b7ed-141dd88560ea_story.html

 

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Democratic voters who have requested mail ballots — and returned them — greatly outnumber Republicans so far in key battleground states, causing alarm among GOP party leaders and strategists that President Trump’s attacks on mail voting could be hurting the party’s prospects to retain the White House and the Senate this year.

 

Of the more than 9 million voters who requested mail ballots through Monday in Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maine and Iowa, the five battleground states where such data is publicly available, 52 percent were Democrats. Twenty-eight percent were Republicans, and 20 percent were unaffiliated.

 

Additional internal Democratic and Republican Party data obtained by The Washington Post shows a similar trend in Ohio, Minnesota, New Hampshire and Wisconsin.

 

Even more alarming to some Republicans, Democrats are also returning their ballots at higher rates than GOP voters in two of those states where that information is available: Florida and North Carolina.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

4 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

I really want Biden to follow up on this next debate and say “I’ve denounced white supremacy and the KKK at every turn. I’ve never embraced their dog whistles like trump has and I do not want any white supremacist to vote for me. White supremacy and racism has no place in our society and I would rather lose than receive their support. Donald, can you say the same? Do it. denounce them now and Say you don’t want the votes of white supremacists, kkk members, racists and groups like proud boys” 

 

Trump would just flip it back on him, "only when you denounce Antifa and Black Lives Matter," which his base would looooooove.

 

 

[goskins10]

Just now, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

I saw it as a win for Biden last night, I think a lot of other people did, too.  An easy win, he didn't have to do much because Trump made an ass out of himself, which I think is the best way to deal with him.  Don't sink to his level (as tempting as it is.  It's incredibly tempting, but that's what he wants), let him be disgusting and punch himself out.  Like an Ali rope-a-dope.  And I think he'll come out better prepared next time, I don't think he'll lose his temper any worse than he did last night, which is probably not nearly as bad as any of us would have.  He was professional and that's a win.

 

The moderator was a joke.  Nice guy, but you can't be a nice guy if you're going to try to corral Trump.  

 

I think that is how each side will view it. We who see trump for a POS saw a POS. A bully who has no point to make other than talk louder than than the other person.

 

But those who went in liking trump saw a "Fighter who was going to make sure his point got across and hold that stupid Dem accountable. ****ing socialist liar! And look how he pushed him around! That's my president! Keep kicking him! This is great!"  

 

So I saw no win for either. Whatever your thoughts were going in you saw what you wanted to see to validate your opinion of your candidate. I guess in a way that is a win in that Joe could have potentially lost support which I do not think happened. But not sure he picked up any either. 

 

If there is another one (more thinking trump will back out now claiming no way for it to be fair which is a ****ing joke) Biden has to be better prepared for the insults and the bully tactics. Do not stoop to his level but hold him accountable. Again, it's not that I think he did bad. I of course, agree he did better than most probably. I can't speak for anyone else, but he did much better than I would have done. I wanted to shove that mic down bunker boys throat in the first 30 secs just to shut him up. I kept yelling at the TV - STFU!! As if it would do any good. For those not sure, it didn't! 

 

Had I been there, it would have been more like  - (literally yelling) "Look dude would you just STFU for one second. Are you really that stupid you have no other way to communicate than to bully and lie?" Then look back at the camera with a - "man what an idiot!" But that is not productive either. Hope Biden has a better plan than mine... 🙂  

[Dan T.]

From Dan Rather this morning:

 

America is hurting, really hurting. Thousands of people

are dying every week. Jobs lost. Lives thrown asunder.

The West on fire. Our international standing at the

lowest point I can remember. We need leadership.

We need empathy. We need unity. We need justice. We need hope.

 

Who won and lost tonight in a horse race sense,

I don't even want to address. Frankly, I don't

give a damn. This was a sad, sad, sad night

for this nation that I love with all my heart.

This is a moment to mourn what we have lost,

and are in danger of losing. I don't want to hear

from the pundits, I want to hear from the people.

I want to hug all of you in a warm embrace and say,

we can, we must be a helluva lot better than this.

 

We need to dig deep into our moral character.

We need to look at ourselves in the mirror and

into the hearts of our neighbors and fellow citizens.

We need to embrace a patriotism that is broad,

inclusive, and just. We know bullies.

We know when racists refuse to

denounce racism. We know when

autocrats try to undermine democracy.

There will be an election. And then

there will be a future.

 

No president is bigger than the nation.

The American people have a voice.

And after tonight, I sense millions are eager

to turn their yelling at the television into marking their ballots.

[Cooked Crack]

 

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

3 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

From Dan Rather this morning:

 

America is hurting, really hurting. Thousands of people

are dying every week. Jobs lost. Lives thrown asunder.

The West on fire. Our international standing at the

lowest point I can remember. We need leadership.

We need empathy. We need unity. We need justice. We need hope.

 

Who won and lost tonight in a horse race sense,

I don't even want to address. Frankly, I don't

give a damn. This was a sad, sad, sad night

for this nation that I love with all my heart.

This is a moment to mourn what we have lost,

and are in danger of losing. I don't want to hear

from the pundits, I want to hear from the people.

I want to hug all of you in a warm embrace and say,

we can, we must be a helluva lot better than this.

 

We need to dig deep into our moral character.

We need to look at ourselves in the mirror and

into the hearts of our neighbors and fellow citizens.

We need to embrace a patriotism that is broad,

inclusive, and just. We know bullies.

We know when racists refuse to

denounce racism. We know when

autocrats try to undermine democracy.

There will be an election. And then

there will be a future.

 

No president is bigger than the nation.

The American people have a voice.

And after tonight, I sense millions are eager

to turn their yelling at the television into marking their ballots.

 

Weren't you just cracking masturbation jokes a minute ago?

[Llevron]

17 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Trump would just flip it back on him, "only when you denounce Antifa and Black Lives Matter," which his base would looooooove.

 

 

 

Which I think is fine. It puts more pressure on non racist whites that plan to silently vote for Trump (of which I know 3) that are very uncomfortable with the racist stuff but still some how caught up in the anti PC stuff so they like him. Its forcing them to choose and the more direct the better imo. 

 

Who knows though, that could just be the 3 I know personally. 

[Cooked Crack]

 

Reporting live from the Sunken Place

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

1 minute ago, Llevron said:

 

Which I think is fine. It puts more pressure on non racist whites that plan to silently vote for Trump (of which I know 3) that are very uncomfortable with the racist stuff but still some how caught up in the anti PC stuff so they like him. Its forcing them to choose and the more direct the better imo. 

 

Who knows though, that could just be the 3 I know personally. 

 

Eh, well, I guess those types have to really hate anti-PC stuff to value that over being looked at as possibly being racist for voting for Trump.  

 

But the other point there is that because he'd flip it back on Biden and ask him to denounce Antifa/BLM, he'd dodge the shot from Biden and not denounce Proud Boys/KKK and whoever else.  It gives him a chance to dogwhistle again at those groups which nobody wants.

 

IIRC, someone on CNN last night that the Proud Boys just got a bunch of new recruits last night, just because of "Stand back and stand by."  You don't want to give Trump a way to dogwhistle to those groups again in a big way, it just emboldens them.  

[spjunkies]

17 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

 

Good, don't bull**** us. Know your enemy. 

[Jumbo]

ah, the smell of napalm in the morning 😎

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

1 hour ago, Skintime said:

How long ago? I went there briefly in the early 80's

2003

[Llevron]

8 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

IIRC, someone on CNN last night that the Proud Boys just got a bunch of new recruits last night, just because of "Stand back and stand by."  You don't want to give Trump a way to dogwhistle to those groups again in a big way, it just emboldens them.  

 

Ah. I get your point now. No disagreement there. Nothing positive to be gained cause you know he wont do it and there cant be that many people who are going to change their mind on Trump now

[Heisenberg]

I feel like Trump's refusal to denounce white supremacists has sort of overshadowed the fact that he spent the last few minutes of the debate confirming that he simply won't accept any outcome where he isn't declared the winner. Anything sort of an election night declaration of victory for Trump will result in claims of voter fraud, investigations, and heading to the courts.

 

Scary times.

[Dan T.]

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

14 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Eh, well, I guess those types have to really hate anti-PC stuff to value that over being looked at as possibly being racist for voting for Trump.  

 

But the other point there is that because he'd flip it back on Biden and ask him to denounce Antifa/BLM, he'd dodge the shot from Biden and not denounce Proud Boys/KKK and whoever else.  It gives him a chance to dogwhistle again at those groups which nobody wants.

 

IIRC, someone on CNN last night that the Proud Boys just got a bunch of new recruits last night, just because of "Stand back and stand by."  You don't want to give Trump a way to dogwhistle to those groups again in a big way, it just emboldens them.  

I disagree. Biden can say again has denounced violence on all sides and he can quote Trumps appointed FBI Director again saying antifa isn’t an organization it’s an idea. He could even define it for America as anti-fascist and say, “we used to have presidents that considered themselves anti-fascist and then you came along” 

 

One of the lowest moments of Trumps presidency was in the aftermath of Charlottesville. I’d hammer him on this again and either piss off his base by getting him to denounce them and say he doesn’t want their votes or get him on record essentially admitting he does want the votes of white supremacists. Let him set himself on fire 3 weeks before the election 

[Destino]

A lot of “both sides” all over the net today, from the news and posts on social media.  It’s a horrible take on what happened.

 

Someone yesterday mentioned the next debate should be like Around the Horn, so the moderator can mute.  I’d be onboard for that.  They wouldn’t even need to be in the same building, so social distancing wouldn’t be an issue, and I enjoy the thought of watching Trump raging without audio while the moderator waits for calm before unmuting him.  

[spjunkies]

It's very simple, just mute the non-speaker for two minutes. Might not make for exciting television, but it would avoid the spectacle that trump is trying to create. 

[Dan T.]

32 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Weren't you just cracking masturbation jokes a minute ago?

 

What can I say? I'm a Renaissance Man.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

59 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

The debate probably didn't change many minds.  That's a win for Biden because if nothing changes dramatically, he wins.  

 

 

I would agree it didn't change any minds. But I would guess many people were relieved to see Biden hold up for 90 minutes. I thought he clearly won the debate even though I don't think much of what he said was very impressive. He's "meh" for sure, but I think a lot of us tuned in expecting to see him either meltdown or wander around asking where the ticket booth was or something. 

[NoCalMike]

Trump thrives in a format that does not require serious conversations about the issues, or quite frankly anything.  Biden did his best most of the time to talk about the issues, but was often interrupted mid-sentence.  Trump never has nor never will want to have a debate run like an actual "issues" talk, because anytime he is pinned down for a few minutes to have to explain his actual policy, he has no idea what he is talking about and just rambles on.

 

This is the way I see the debate.  Neither guy was fantastic, however if we are to believe the polls for the most part going into the debates, explain to me how a guy that is down 5-8% in battleground states across the board did anything to win back the support he had in 2016?  Trump played his hand as if he is was the one up 5-8% instead of down. 

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

17 minutes ago, Destino said:

A lot of “both sides” all over the net today, from the news and posts on social media.  It’s a horrible take on what happened.

I’ve seen a lot of that too. It usually comes from people of privilege who don’t have a lot personally at stake in this election.

[PartyPosse]

1 hour ago, goskins10 said:

I think that is how each side will view it. We who see trump for a POS saw a POS. A bully who has no point to make other than talk louder than than the other person.

 

But those who went in liking trump saw a "Fighter who was going to make sure his point got across and hold that stupid Dem accountable. ****ing socialist liar! And look how he pushed him around! That's my president! Keep kicking him! This is great!"  

 

So I saw no win for either. Whatever your thoughts were going in you saw what you wanted to see to validate your opinion of your candidate. I guess in a way that is a win in that Joe could have potentially lost support which I do not think happened. But not sure he picked up any either. 

The whole point of the debates are to convince the undecided. The Trump supporters and anti-trumpers are already 100% decided and nothing is going to change their minds. For the most part those looking through an unbiased lens saw one man who couldn’t stop unterrupting and being an out and out asshole. Surprisingly that doesn’t go over well with a lot of people.

Just now, PleaseBlitz said:

 

Well, a lot of people shouldn't buy into false Facebook memes pushed by MAGA idiots. 

Agreed. If you honestly thought that was going to happen then it’s fairly clear where you lie politically.

[PleaseBlitz]

3 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

I would agree it didn't change any minds. But I would guess many people were relieved to see Biden hold up for 90 minutes. I thought he clearly won the debate even though I don't think much of what he said was very impressive. He's "meh" for sure, but I think a lot of us tuned in expecting to see him either meltdown or wander around asking where the ticket booth was or something. 

 

Well, a lot of people shouldn't buy into false Facebook memes pushed by MAGA idiots.