TradeTheBeal! Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 We lost the “Confederate Howitzers” monument last night. Whatever that is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) A problem with a mob taking action is a lack of thought in what they are targeting (of course lack of thought is a hallmark of a mob). https://www.myneworleans.com/monuments-to-mcdonogh/ ".... He did own slaves – 96 at the time of his death – but the movement to discredit McDonough didn’t acknowledge that he educated them and eventually freed them, Ciravolo writes. This generous benefactor of public education who fought in the Battle of New Orleans and never married was shunned by New Orleans society for his anti-slavery views and other eccentricities. In his book, Ciravolo calls McDonogh a man who “lived to die.” Once he developed the “Plan,” his intended gift to the poor, his primary companions were his enslaved workers. In actuality, they were a hybrid of indentured servants and slaves; even though he purchased them, he developed an elaborate contract that allowed them to earn their freedom. Even though they were mostly construction workers and brick makers, not field hands, Ciravolo admits that McDonogh overworked them, even by contemporary standards. Yet they worked no harder at building his fortune than he did himself, as many as 18-hours a day. His only personal goal was to amass as much wealth as possible so that at his death the proceeds of his toil would build public schools “wherein the poor of both sexes of all Classes and Castes of Color” could attend for free. After his death in 1850, Ciravolo says an estate of about $1.5 million was divided for school use in New Orleans and Baltimore, his birthplace. To save money, he walked instead of taking public transportation. Ciravolo also says that his clothes were “threadbare,” yet he provided for his slaves well. Though his intent was to educate children – black and white – to save them from lives of poverty, he made the mistake of allowing local governments to manage his will, so his legacy didn’t turn out quite as he planned. Ciravolo points out that if McDonogh had created a private foundation instead, his dictates may have been followed, especially the one about educating all children, regardless of race...." Edited June 17, 2020 by nonniey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 You love to see it. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Sisko Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I know it’s not Friday yet, but... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I posted this in the other thread, but it belongs here as well. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32870657/remove-statue-science/ Quote How to Topple a Statue Using Science Bring that sucker down without anyone getting hurt. It hasn’t been a great past few weeks for statues. From Bristol, England to Birmingham, Alabama, people all over the world have been grappling with the legacy of racism by tossing their grappling hooks around the heads of problematic monuments. Should you happen to find yourself near a statue that you decide you no longer like, we asked scientists for the best, safest ways to bring it to the ground without anyone getting hurt—except, of course, for the inanimate racist who’s been dead for a century anyway. Interesting article, though I doubt authorities would look kindly on homemade thermite being used to melt the confederates away. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The 12th Commandment Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 7 hours ago, Destino said: I posted this in the other thread, but it belongs here as well. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32870657/remove-statue-science/ Interesting article, though I doubt authorities would look kindly on homemade thermite being used to melt the confederates away. Thermite is easy to get and legal. We shoot big jars of it at the range and gleefully watch the resulting reaction. It goes up quick and hot in a big puff of smoke. It must be sublethal or something, at least in the form you can buy it or the mixture they're recommending. It does get hotter than Hades when it goes off, melts rocks under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: Thermite is easy to get and legal. We shoot big jars of it at the range and gleefully watch the resulting reaction. It goes up quick and hot in a big puff of smoke. It must be sublethal or something, at least in the form you can buy it or the mixture they're recommending. It does get hotter than Hades when it goes off, melts rocks under it. You’re thinking of tannerite. Thermite is a substance that burns at such a high temperature it can melt through a car’s engine block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, skinsfan_1215 said: You’re thinking of tannerite. Thermite is a substance that burns at such a high temperature it can melt through a car’s engine block. Incorrect. Thermite is legal. Burns hotter than sun. Why I mentioned it melted rocks. https://www.skylighter.com/products/thermite-kit-makes-4-lbs A 0.223 round is hot enough to ignite it. Edited June 18, 2020 by KAOSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: Incorrect. Thermite is legal. Burns hotter than sun. Why I mentioned it melted rocks. https://www.skylighter.com/products/thermite-kit-makes-4-lbs Yeah but the melting rock thing was in your last sentence. You didn’t expect me to read that far did you? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Destino said: I posted this in the other thread, but it belongs here as well. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32870657/remove-statue-science/ From the above article: Quote Or you could combine the two, says Harrison. “If the liquid nitrogen is above the height of the thermite, you’ll have some very cold metal, right next to some metal getting very hot,” he says. “This should induce a lot of thermal strain, likely causing the metal to crack in that region.” Just keep that hole way above your thermite, or you’ll be spraying incredibly hot molten metal into the air. And here’s a fun bonus: The liquid nitrogen will quickly turn to a gas and come shooting out of that hole you drilled, says Harrison, which will almost certainly cause a high-pitched squeal. “One could imagine it sounding something like the sound a confederate general would make if their feet were on fire.” 🤣🤣🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simmsy Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 This is like the Breaking Bad of vandalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooked Crack Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said: Are the paintings celebrating these guys as Speakers, or Rebs? That makes a difference, doesn't it? The monuments are pretty straight forward celebrations of military men who were traitors wearing their traitorous garb, but this doesn't seem the same. Edited June 18, 2020 by KAOSkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, KAOSkins said: Are the paintings celebrating these guys as Speakers, or Rebs? That makes a difference, doesn't it? The monuments are pretty straight forward celebrations of military men who were traitors wearing their traitorous garb, but this doesn't seem the same. personally, i think a complete 100% purge of any positive recognition in any form would be just fine even if it goes overboard the real horrors are what this society has allowed to go overboard for so long that were and are far far worse attitude wise, i think the "compensating" things would have to get to within at least a few light-years of that level before i'd sweat the over-reach much i endorse thoughtfulness on most everything, but in these matters i'm also big on immediacy and making moves of sweeping nature, to put it mildly 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, Jumbo said: personally, i think a complete 100% purge of any positive recognition in any form would be just fine even if it goes overboard the real horrors are what this society has allowed to go overboard for so long that were and are far far worse attitude wise, i think the "compensating" things would have to get to within at least a few light-years of that level before i'd sweat the over-reach much i endorse thoughtfulness on most everything, but in these matters i'm also big on immediacy and making moves of sweeping nature, to put it mildly Just as an aside, Samuel Clemons was a reb and I'm pretty sure we share a great appreciation of that guy. Course he did go awol during his first campaign and hightailed it to Nevada to mine for silver, so I'm more than happy to give him a pass. I briefly looked at who was famous (and might have gone one to do some real good to where they deserved a monument) after the war and after having served in the confederacy, couldn't find a whole lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: ...... I briefly looked at who was famous (and might have gone one to do some real good to where they deserved a monument) after the war and after having served in the confederacy, couldn't find a whole lot. I don't think you'd find monuments to those that did as they generally weren't supporters of the postwar "Lost Cause" efforts. (Outside of Gettysburg is there a monument of Longstreet - and I think even that one didn't get put up until the 1980s)? 1 hour ago, Jumbo said: personally, i think a complete 100% purge of any positive recognition in any form would be just fine even if it goes overboard the real horrors are what this society has allowed to go overboard for so long that were and are far far worse attitude wise, i think the "compensating" things would have to get to within at least a few light-years of that level before i'd sweat the over-reach much i endorse thoughtfulness on most everything, but in these matters i'm also big on immediacy and making moves of sweeping nature, to put it mildly That is red guard thinking. Posted an example above of a statue that shouldn't have been touched, but the thinking (or really lack of) you are espousing here caused it to be torn down and dumped in the river. Edited June 18, 2020 by nonniey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, nonniey said: I don't think you'd find monuments to those that did as they generally weren't supporters of the postwar "Lost Cause" efforts. (Outside of Gettysburg is there a monument of Longstreet)? That is red guard thinking. Posted an example above of a statue that shouldn't have been touched, but the thinking (or really lack of) you espouse caused it to be torn down and dumped in the river. yeah, while i saw the basic point, i thought that post of yours was an example of misplaced prioritization (being kind) and almost replied with a negative overview of a number of your takes in general and considered going further on how even "the good republicans" who of course do play important and valuable roles in society really have been a big part of our current blow-ups and very much of what made trump world all it is today, but it wasn't worth it to me (yes yes yes, the left has a sizable hand in all that's effed up too) this response from you seems silly, over-the-top, emo-headed, and even personal, but no big.....among other weaknesses, your priorities of concern as expressed in this forum reflect unfortunate thinking imo you sort of illustrate the point i was making although you remind me i should brush up on my red guard manual to stay on point moving forward 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 But they were good traitors and good slave owners... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Jumbo said: . although you remind me i should brush up on my red guard manual to stay on point moving forward This should help you. https://www.wsj.com/articles/get-ready-for-the-struggle-session-11552003346 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, The Evil Genius said: But they were good traitors and good slave owners... Different subject but in the same general theme here is another memorial some in this threads reasoning would justify tearing down. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/schindlers-factory-holocaust-memorial-180961059/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) I'll let someone else figure out any of your usual usual has to do with american statues of traitorous kidnappers and/or slave owners solely erected to thumb our lily white noses at African Americans. Edited June 18, 2020 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, nonniey said: Different subject but in the same general theme here is another memorial some in this threads reasoning would justify tearing down. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/schindlers-factory-holocaust-memorial-180961059/ you're posting pretentious foolishness...you're not 'teaching" anyone anything or "enlightening" anyone...such stuff/thinking is going to be already known to the majority of regular participants, if not all, here what you're prattling on about (and that's what you're doing) is your own head noise and repeating the pattern of where you place your concerns if people in the thread are actually advocating wild abandonment in over-reach, or some such, like you keep alluding too/implying, i haven seen it and don't think you have either, maybe one or two here, somewhere, possibly.... i do know you don't read carefully enough in at least a couple cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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