StillUnknown Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Let's put some context to Richmond's sanitization of Lee. He treated slaves "well" right? What a misunderstood stand up chap. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/ How about Lee and his army capturing free blacks of the North and bringing them to the South for enslavement? Gee. I wonder why people think he's a massive piece of ****. fake news MAGA 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Somewhat back on topic... I mentioned that my a guy I went to high school with was one of the people hit by the car. His sister (also in my high school) shared this last night: I have a young child myself, filled with white privilege, and I'm so thankful that I don't have to teach him from this young age that people hate him for the color of his skin. The pics and vids of her 3 year old hugging the Charlottesville police just tore me up. I'm in tears right now. Edited August 14, 2017 by skinsfan_1215 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/you-will-have-to-shovel-our-bodies-into-the-oven-too-father-of-charlottesville-neo-nazi-disowns-him/ More at link. Quote You will have to shovel our bodies into the oven, too’: Father of Charlottesville neo-Nazi disowns himOne father of a marcher in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend is denouncing his own son after the young man was seen on national news spouting hate.In a letter to Fargo, North Dakota’s Inforum, father Pearce Tefft wrote that his family wasn’t sure where his son Peter picked up his racist beliefs. Edited August 14, 2017 by The Evil Genius 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, RichmondRedskin88 said: sidenote: I was discussing this with my girlfriend being that I was history minor with focus on war and American history. So then you know that it was the north that actually championed states' rights when refusing to return slaves who had escaped, and that the south repudiated states' rights, insisting that the federal government was required to intervene. You also must know that Lee, despite having the devotion of his troops, was a mediocre general who continually launched frontal assaults on prepared positions. And you must know that the war was fought on slavery, nothing else. Tariffs had already been rolled back. European states offered to back the South if they ended slavery, but the southern states refused. And of course there's a multitude of official confederate and state documents stating plainly that the institution of slavery and the inferiority of the negro race is fundamental to their cause. A good book for those interested is Bonekemper's Myth of the Lost Cause. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, No Excuses said: Let's put some context to Richmond's sanitization of Lee. He treated slaves "well" right? What a misunderstood stand up chap. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/ How about Lee and his army capturing free blacks of the North and bringing them to the South for enslavement? Gee. I wonder why people think he's a massive piece of ****. Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question Might not be a fair question, but it's a massive thread hijack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question He was, but of course the history that is taught tends to gloss over his negative points. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question Yes. Any slave owner is or was. Is that supposed to be a difficult question for people? Edited August 14, 2017 by The Evil Genius 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: So then you know that it was the north that actually championed states' rights when refusing to return slaves who had escaped, and that the south repudiated states' rights, insisting that the federal government was required to intervene. You also must know that Lee, despite having the devotion of his troops, was a mediocre general who continually launched frontal assaults on prepared positions. And you must know that the war was fought on slavery, nothing else. Tariffs had already been rolled back. European states offered to back the South if they ended slavery, but the southern states refused. And of course there's a multitude of official confederate and state documents stating plainly that the institution of slavery and the inferiority of the negro race is fundamental to their cause. A good book for those interested is Bonekemper's Myth of the Lost Cause. Stonewall Jackson was the real military genius, the army of novas fortune changed when he died Most of Lees "brilliance" was defined by necessity born of constantly being outmanned. When he was even at Gettysburg he didnt win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question For what it's worth, I believe Washington's slaves actually belonged to his wife, and he did free them in his will. Hamilton was one of the few founding fathers who was unequivocally anti-slavery...And sadly most history textbooks unfairly maligned him as a monarchist. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Yes. Any slave owner is or was. Is that supposed to be a difficult question for people? You took the words right out of my mouth. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, StillUnknown said: there is no such thing as a well treated slave anytime you want to make that argument, don't. people might think you are an idiot Hey, you were forcefully taken from your homeland, stuffed in a box, beaten, torn, away from your family, made to work against your will, held against your will, and you or someone else's property..... Like a used yoga mat. But don't worry, its a well treated yoga mat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillUnknown Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just now, Mr. Sinister said: Hey, you were forcefully taken from your homeland, stuffed in a box, beaten, torn, away from your family, made to work against your will, held against your will, and you or someone else's property..... Like a used yoga mat. But don't worry, its a well treated yoga mat. I mean, they were housed and fed. what more could they possibly want? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinssRvA Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Riggo-toni said: You also must know that Lee, despite having the devotion of his troops, was a mediocre general who continually launched frontal assaults on prepared positions. Lee was a poor strategist. He galvanized troops but made countless wrong decisions. He was the Rex Ryan of setting up an offensive gameplan. As far as Charlottesville, it shouldn't be so hard to say wow, neo-nazis are bad. Nazis are bad, slavery is bad. Allowing a platform for hatred masqueraded as free speech rallies is bad. This is literally day one stuff. Edited August 14, 2017 by SkinssRvA 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question Difference between Lee and Washington was Washington was not fighting for the institution of slavery. Yes he had slaves, yes he was flawed, but his cause wasn't slavery Lee, by choosing to lead the army of Northern Virginia, made his cause slavery and treason 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, zoony said: Is George Washington a massive piece of ****? I think its a fair question Yes. I am content with labeling all slave owners as that. Next question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: Yes. Any slave owner is or was. Is that supposed to be a difficult question for people? He, along with the rest of the founders, were men of their time. Ahead of their time in many regards, but on the issue of slavery, they did fail. I have trouble judging Washington & Jefferson based on our morals and ethics of today. I don't have trouble judging Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee, because of the cause they chose to fight for. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, StillUnknown said: I mean, they were housed and fed. what more could they possibly want? This was essentially Robert E Lee's argument for slavery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spaceman Spiff Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 What's Sessions gonna do at that meeting? Burn a cross or something? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said: What's Sessions gonna do at that meeting? Burn a cross or something? Probably discuss strategies to open behavior camps for protesters. I really wish that I was joking about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinssRvA Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, RichmondRedskin88 said: So the ficus has been on Lee. Lee was a general who was considered one of the most brilliant of his time. He would not fight VA because it was his home. He did own slaves but they were treated well and he released them actually. I am no history major...no degrees in it whatsoever. But I'm pretty sure Lee didn't actually own the slaves. They were "inherited" through his wife's family, Custis. Lee himself came from a poor family. And he did free them, but it was mandated in Custis' will. Whether he would have done so given complete freedom we will ever know. Edited August 14, 2017 by SkinssRvA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, SkinssRvA said: I am no history major...no degrees in it whatsoever. But I'm pretty sure Lee didn't actually own the slaves. They were betrothed through his wife's family, Custis. Lee himself came from a poor family. And he did free them, but it was mandated in Custis' will. Whether he would have done so given complete freedom we will ever know. "I never owned that car, it was my wife's." Dower laws...look 'em up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) Let me apologize in advance for what I'm about to write, but... I wish we could shovel that pos Alex Jones into an oven. Of course we can't - he'd be too fat to fit in - but what a despicable parasite. Edited August 14, 2017 by Riggo-toni 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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