tshile Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Popeman38 said: Newsflash: ISPs are tech companies. Not all isp's are tech companies Derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I didn't think this would ever happen but looks like it will. Sucks. RIP to the Internet as we know it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) What happens when states implement net neutrality on their own? Will GOP heads explode from the confusion of states rights vs lining their checkbooks? Edit..or when Comcast gets sued in a few months because terrorists used their internet service to coordinate an attack? Since they won't be a common carrier anymore, they could be liable right? Edited November 22, 2017 by The Evil Genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Overwhelming public support for net neutrality and this administration, and specifically Ajit Pai, are going to do away with it anyway. Disgraceful. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 Cable companies are pissed that nobody subscribed to The Spice channel any more. They’re gonna get what’s theirs finally. Those mother****ers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I have never seen so many "I'm a Republican & Trump supporter, but......" beginnings to comments as I have on any article related to net neutrality. One of those rare times where it seems that outside of a few rogue voices, every side of the political coin in the general population agrees that net neutrality should be upheld if not strengthened even more. I've pretty much ditched cable news in the last year I remember last time the issue was heating up, MSNBC did cover it some, but since it has hit the 11th hour I am curious if the white house press core has been asking the Huckster and/or Trump about it directly. It would seem that it is extremely newsworthy considering nearly the entire population is united in opposition to what the FCC is likely to do in a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, NoCalMike said: I have never seen so many "I'm a Republican & Trump supporter, but......" beginnings to comments as I have on any article related to net neutrality. One of those rare times where it seems that outside of a few rogue voices, every side of the political coin in the general population agrees that net neutrality should be upheld if not strengthened even more. I've pretty much ditched cable news in the last year I remember last time the issue was heating up, MSNBC did cover it some, but since it has hit the 11th hour I am curious if the white house press core has been asking the Huckster and/or Trump about it directly. It would seem that it is extremely newsworthy considering nearly the entire population is united in opposition to what the FCC is likely to do in a few weeks. No coverage of this because of the following. Fox - trump puppets CNN - owned by Time Warner NBC - owned by Comcast It's ridiculous! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, spjunkies said: No coverage of this because of the following. Fox - trump puppets CNN - owned by Time Warner NBC - owned by Comcast It's ridiculous! I don’t watch much cable news either but I haven’t seen anything about this at all. Lots on social media and gaining steam too, coming from both sides of the aisle. I fully believe that you’re correct about the lack of coverage for the reasons stated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar78 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 yup, we all hate cable tv providers now and I think everyone knows how much internet will suck if the Cable companies are given full control over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) I am not a nerd or a geek so most of this net neutrality stuff goes over my head. I think I have a basic conceptual understanding of it, which is if this takes place, the restrictions would make it more difficult for me to download my adult material and other such videos that I cherish so dearly. Speed would be tiered and it'd be more difficult to stream Netflix or other family friendly (or unfriendly) videos without an upgrade. Here is my question. As a Comcast / Xfinity subscriber I already have the option of paying for internet speeds. I can have the regular package, and if I wish to have more speed, I can pay for more speed. So what is going to go on with net neutrality, did I miss something? If there's net neutrality, you would also have to pay more for better tier speeds. Isn't that what is going on now? Edited November 23, 2017 by ixcuincle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ixcuincle said: Here is my question. As a Comcast / Xfinity subscriber I already have the option of paying for internet speeds. I can have the regular package, and if I wish to have more speed, I can pay for more speed. So what is going to go on with net neutrality, did I miss something? If there's net neutrality, you would also have to pay more for better tier speeds. Isn't that what is going on now? You know how Comcast has channel tiers for its cable channels? Like how you have to pay more to get extra "premium" channels that used to be in the basic tiers (and were never premium)? Imagine them doing that with internet access to sites like Facebook, Netflix, Extremeskins, etc. Generally it will be the competition that they will or could either limit/slow/block access to. And if the are the only real option as a ISP in your area, you're ****ed. Edited November 23, 2017 by The Evil Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) So I found a guy on Facebook who supports ending net neutrality (somehow). Now I don’t know the guy, he’s a friend of a friend, but it seems like he thinks that the “regulations” of net neutrality are killing competition. It’s laughable. Heres an article he posted: https://fee.org/articles/goodbye-net-neutrality-hello-competition/ Goodbye Net Neutrality; Hello Competition We should take our deregulation where we can get it. At long last, with the end of “net neutrality,” competition could soon come to the industry that delivers Internet services to you. You might be able to pick among a range of packages, some minimalist and some maximalist, depending on how you use the service. Or you could choose a package that charges based only on what you consume, rather than sharing fees with everyone else. Internet socialism is dead; long live market forces. With market-based pricing finally permitted, we could see new entrants to the industry because it might make economic sense for the first time to innovate. The growing competition will lead, over the long run, to innovation and falling prices. Consumers will find themselves in the driver’s seat rather than crawling and begging for service and paying whatever the provider demands. Ajit Pai, chairman of the FCC, is exactly right. “Under my proposal, the federal government will stop micromanaging the internet. Instead, the F.C.C. would simply require internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that’s best for them.” ^^^^^^^^^ There is more complete bull**** at the link if you want a laugh. Edited November 23, 2017 by Springfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: You know how Comcast has channel tiers for its cable channels? Like how you have to pay more to get extra "premium" channels that used to be in the basic tiers (and were never premium)? Imagine them doing that with internet access to sites like Facebook, Netflix, Extremeskins, etc. Generally it will be the competition that they will or could either limit/slow/block access to. And if the are the only real option as a ISP in your area, you're ****ed. So if I don't have the premium package I can't access Facebook? This sounds really indefensibly dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ixcuincle said: So if I don't have the premium package I can't access Facebook? This sounds really indefensibly dumb. Yep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) many many many small businesses in America will be dealt a killing blow.Millions of jobs will be lost. Mega corps to run everything. The internet is the most revolutionary tool for advancement and innovation since the industrial revolution. America loses in the biggest economic opportunity in our lifetimes, and generations to come. **** these people, and every single person who voted for them. ~Bang Edited November 23, 2017 by Bang 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Edited November 23, 2017 by BenningRoadSkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Ajit Pie is the second most hated man in the country right now. If I were him I wouldn’t go out in public anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 What sucks is that I genuinely believe the internet is the greatest invention in the history of civilization and we're gonna butcher it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCSaints_fan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 4:32 PM, Springfield said: To my understanding it’s owned by companies that most haven’t ever heard of like Level 3 and Cogent. But essentially, it’s owned by many companies. I could be wrong on this, some of the more tech savvy posters might know better. Yes - though also by name companies like AT&T and Verizon, as well. They already had the easements, so they could lay copper/fiber or whatever much easier than anyone else. Cable TV companies being the only other legit players at the time. As you mentioned, you would need a huge amount of money to startup an ISP - Google managed it but only in a few large metro areas https://fiber.google.com/newcities/ Getting all those easements is really, really hard/expensive, and in some cases probably impossible as tshile mentioned with exclusivity agreements On top of which, ISPs have been trying to shutdown municipal broadband/WiFi http://beta.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-cable-municipal-broadband-20160812-snap-story.html The more I think about it, the more the internet is more like a road network. Imagine all the roads were privately owned, by say The Road Company. and you would pay some amount per month to be able to drive, like an EZ pass. You pay the same amount no matter where you going. Perhaps there would be a fast lane that some would pay a little more for, but still they wouldn't pay depending on where they went or what they did. But now say let's say some successful business chain like Five Guys pops up, that causes traffic to spike. The Road Company sees this and gets greedy and says "Hey, why don't we start our own hamburger joint, after all our customers are using our roads to get to Five Guys and Five Guys is getting all this money". So The Road Company startsup their own chain (or more like, buy one out, let's say McDonalds), and then decide to charge an additional toll if you exit at Five Guys, but there would be no charge for McDonalds. Or perhaps they do something shady like do some "construction" on the Five Guys exits which throttles traffic, while the McDonald's exit is well maintained and clear. Without net neutrality rules, The Road Company will be allowed to do that. You might come along and say - well the solution is simple, if the consumers' experience with The Road Company is poor, surely the market will fix it and some investor(s) will come along and start up their own competitor to provide better service. The problem is there are substantial capital and legal barriers to entry for building your own road network, such that no one has made a serious attempt in decades, when cars were first being built and the challenges were substantially less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 what if we had to pay to come here and argue? how many meals would those animals in the stadium let their kids miss in order to slam each other one more time? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) The same ol' "Free Market" argument of "if you don't like your ISP, you have the freedom to go get a different one" except what they fail to mention is that ISPs are being consolidated all the time, even in major cities. Most places you have 3-4 choices for an ISP at the most and the prices are mostly similar. The illusion of free choice under a monopoly of industry. I remember in the 90's when I first got the internet as a teenager, the mail box (snail mail lol) would be littered with tons of different ISPs daily trying to court customers. It's a damn shame that an issue that seems to be agreed upon across the board is still going against the people's will. I guess now we are getting a true taste of corporatism vs. the will of the people. Question: Once the repeal happens, does it take effect immediately or is it slowly phased in over the next couple of years? 2018 & 2020 could be huge in getting people into office that would block this or even appoint members to the FCC that would overturn this nonsense immediately. I remember 10-15 years ago when the big ISP's were first installing data caps, they kept assuring customers "don't worry, these caps only affect the 1% data hog customers" of course that was temporary as they had the foresight to know in the future more and more information would be coming through the internet. What once was considered a "1% data hog" in 2000, is now probably what your average family household consumes if not even more, but I bet those data caps haven't been raised to reflect the realistic demands of the present day. Edited November 29, 2017 by NoCalMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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