The 12th Commandment Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Bob said: There are bad politicians on both sides, I do not agree with anyone 100%, I mostly vote Republican due to fiscal policy. I find the bias most people have utterly shocking. It seems the older I get the less I follow politics. Hasn't the republican fiscal policy evolved into borrow, lower taxes and spend? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ball Security Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bob said: There are bad politicians on both sides, I do not agree with anyone 100%, I mostly vote Republican due to fiscal policy. I find the bias most people have utterly shocking. It seems the older I get the less I follow politics. That doesn’t really answer any of my five questions at all. I thought you were here for discussion. What does bias have to do with any of these specific questions? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, Ball Security said: That doesn’t really answer any of my five questions at all. I thought you were here for discussion. What does bias have to do with any of these specific questions? Whataboutism. Right on cue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Id like to see answers to those specific questions too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: Hasn't the republican fiscal policy evolved into borrow, lower taxes and spend? It has evolved into looting the country for the benefit of domestic and foreign donors/oligarchs. 1 minute ago, PleaseBlitz said: Id like to see answers to those specific questions too. You’ll get those answers when Trump drops his big, beautiful healthcare plan. Edited May 22, 2021 by TryTheBeal! 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Bob said: There are bad politicians on both sides, I do not agree with anyone 100%, I mostly vote Republican due to fiscal policy. I find the bias most people have utterly shocking. It seems the older I get the less I follow politics. Well see again… fiscal conservatism is dead. The Trump administration had the biggest budget in history and absolutely exploded the deficit and national debt. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: You’ll get those answers when Trump drops his big, beautiful healthcare plan. Any week now! 🤞 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, KAOSkins said: Hasn't the republican fiscal policy evolved into borrow, lower taxes and spend? To be completely fair, that is the policy of both parties over the last 40 years. The only time this was not the case was Clinton...and lets be honest, the creation of the internet and boom of that sector had a lot to do with it. The growth in debt ratio was slower under Bush2 than either Reagan or Bush1. Enormous under Obama1 (recession is grey bar) having basically given up all the gains during Clinton. Obama2 and Trump were both on the same fiscal irresponsibility path right up to the pandemic. ...course, this is only one measure and not a complete picture. But to claim either party has a fiscally responsible identity is simply blind to the facts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, PleaseBlitz said: Any week now! 🤞 Is that before or after Infrastructure week??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sacks 'n' Stuff said: Well see again… fiscal conservatism is dead. The Trump administration had the biggest budget in history and absolutely exploded the deficit and national debt. Stop talking about policy. GOP talking points are cancel culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Die Hard said: Stop talking about policy. GOP talking points are cancel culture. You forgot criticize theory bad bad bad and trans kids shouldn't play sports. 😁 Edited May 22, 2021 by The Evil Genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Evil Genius said: You forgot criticize theory bad bad bad and trans kids shouldn't play sports. 😁 Im pretty sure both fit under the umbrella of cancel culture 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bob said: I left the Warpath because of over the top liberalism and extremely biased moderators. It looks like this place is much worse at first glance. The extreme hate liberals have these days for those that don't vote like them is pathetic. Nice to see branding everyone who votes Republican a racist, and all the 3rd grade level name calling. I just wish one of you people would try to have an honest conversation before going all attack mode on people. You came in breathing fire looking for a fight - and guess what you got one. So let's try this - I am more than willing to have an honest conversation about any issue. (I am sure others are too but I can only speak for me). You pick the topic and present your point of view. I will respond. No name calling, no assumptions. Just one person to another. Ball is in your court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Buffalo Bob said: There are bad politicians on both sides, I do not agree with anyone 100%, I mostly vote Republican due to fiscal policy. I find the bias most people have utterly shocking. It seems the older I get the less I follow politics. Both sidesism has entered the thread again. Trump is fond of that phrase. 31 minutes ago, Buffalo Bob said: Obama was blaming George Bush pretty much everyday for 8 straight years, or did you happen to tune that part out. The fact that Bush 43 and Cheney lied to start the Iraq War against Saddam and tanked the economy into a depression doesn't count as worthy of condemnation I guess from your point of view. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Bob said: I left the Warpath because of over the top liberalism and extremely biased moderators. It looks like this place is much worse at first glance. The extreme hate liberals have these days for those that don't vote like them is pathetic. Nice to see branding everyone who votes Republican a racist, and all the 3rd grade level name calling. Aw, see, it's not that you don't vote like a liberal. it's what you vote for is vile, disgusting fascism, and well, people with a brain HATE that ****. HATE IT, and by proxy, hate those who support it, enable it, and cheer for it. so carry on with your pity party,, keep believing it's just they don't like your vote. It's what your vote represents. And frankly, if you voted for them, you are a reprehensible disgusting person who SHOULD be villified. "Personal responsibility"> You should try it, buckaroo. Support who you want, but quit crying when everyone hates you for something they should hate you for. Your leaders tried to overthrow this country violently. Your leaders backed the single worst person they could find, and through all of it you happily said '**** your feelings" and went on for the ride. Well **** your ****ing feelings, you ****ing ****. ~Bang Edited May 22, 2021 by Bang 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jabbyrwock said: To be completely fair, that is the policy of both parties over the last 40 years. The only time this was not the case was Clinton...and lets be honest, the creation of the internet and boom of that sector had a lot to do with it. The growth in debt ratio was slower under Bush2 than either Reagan or Bush1. Enormous under Obama1 (recession is grey bar) having basically given up all the gains during Clinton. Obama2 and Trump were both on the same fiscal irresponsibility path right up to the pandemic. ...course, this is only one measure and not a complete picture. But to claim either party has a fiscally responsible identity is simply blind to the facts. This is very misleading, only telling half the story - debt, leaving out deficit spending. Every democratic president in the last 54 yrs has significantly reduced deficit spending except Carter who was flat. While every republican president in that time has significantly increased deficit spending during that time. So Obama was NOT on the same fiscal responsibility path. He reduced deficit spending he inherited from the recession from well over $1T/yr to a low of less than $500B in 2014/15. It increased to a little over $600B in 2016 thanks to a republicans led senate and house. Need to show the entire story not just haf. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, goskins10 said: This is very misleading, only telling half the story - debt, leaving out deficit spending. Every democratic president in the last 54 yrs has significantly reduced deficit spending except Carter who was flat. While every republican president in that time has significantly increased deficit spending during that time. So Obama was NOT on the same fiscal responsibility path. He reduced deficit spending he inherited from the recession from well over $1T/yr to a low of less than $500B in 2014/15. It increased to a little over $600B in 2016 thanks to a republicans led senate and house. Need to show the entire story not just haf. I agree. I did say it was only one measure and not a complete picture for a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bob Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Bang said: Aw, see, it's not that you don't vote like a lioberal. it's what you vote for is vile, disgusting fascism, and well, people with a brain HATE that ****. HATE IT.. so carry on with your pity party,, keep believing it's just they don't like your vote. It's what your vote represents. And frankly, if you voted for them, you are a reprehensible disgusting person. "Personal responsibility"> You should try it, buckaroo. Support who you want, but quit crying when everyone hates you for something they should hate you for. Your leaders tried to overthrow this country violently. Your leaders backed the single worst person they could find, and through all of you happily said '**** your feelings" and went on for the ride. Well **** your ****ing feelings, you ****ing ****. ~Bang Very classy post, your mother should be proud of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, Jabbyrwock said: I agree. I did say it was only one measure and not a complete picture for a reason. Yes, but you also made the statement that Obama was on a path of fiscal irresponsibility. That is just not true because you left out the other half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) Did this dude seriously just roll right into to talking about people’s mothers?!? 1 hour ago, goskins10 said: Yes, but you also made the statement that Obama was on a path of fiscal irresponsibility. That is just not true because you left out the other half. Yeah, big difference between deficit and debt. Obama did a very nice job holding the line on spending and simultaneously raising the GDP in term two. Edited May 22, 2021 by TryTheBeal! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long n Left Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 1 minute ago, TryTheBeal! said: Did this dude seriously just roll right into to talking about people’s mothers?!? Right on cue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo Bob said: Very classy post, your mother should be proud of you. She is. I'm not one of you. And get this straight. i have no class reserved for Nazi ****s. None. You ****ers started a fight and now cry when people don't like you for it. You poor poor pathetic jackass. ~Bang Edited May 22, 2021 by Bang 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Just now, goskins10 said: Yes, but you also made the statement that Obama was on a path of fiscal irresponsibility. That is just not true because you left out the other half. By that measure it was the same slope as Trump. I was only reporting what that one measure showed. Sorry but we may be engaged in a semantic disagreement here. I just displayed one measure of fiscal responsibility and described what it shows and then noted that there were other measures so the picture was incomplete. I don't think we are in disagreement broadly speaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabbyrwock Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, TryTheBeal! said: Yeah, big difference between deficit and debt. Obama did a very nice job hold the line on spending and simultaneously raising the GDP in term two. So this is the data I found on that from the CBO. The last 3 years under Obama (2014,2015,2016) where about average or a bit better than average with respect to 1969-2018 average. So you are correct that he held the line. By this measure, tho, Bush2 was actually better in an admittedly cherry picked three year stretch 2005-2007. Again...just data and incomplete. Bush inherited a surplus, Obama didn't, etc. etc. Just want to make sure we have data to refer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 @Bang you may want to edit out the name calling. Attack the post, not the poster, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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