rayprils Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I watched the Dolphins game once again last night and I went through every play with regards to OL and Samuels is the biggest bust. Snyder has the tendency of picking the wrong players. The first play he missed his assignment. If anyone recorded the game, just go and watch him on every play. We gave this guy a $10m bonus, his salary next year is going to hit our cap by over $5m. Danny boy was smart in business but, he sure knows how to blow money on bad players. He needs to educate himself about good football players. Please watch Samuels and you will see what I mean and then look at his contract. "BAD INVESTMENT" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I was worried when Samuels when out of the game, but his replacemen, who ever he was, did a fine job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprils Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 Just look at what Snyder has done to this team. You have all these players(Noble,Fiore,Jacobs) who got bonuses and they are not even playing. What a waist of money. This guy needs to get players that have a heart to win. I remember what Gibbs said at his retirement conference, "Free agency is going to ruin Football teams". I can say one thing, that I really appreciate watching Gibbs's last game in San Francisco. I will never miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 surprise, surprise the Redskins helped Whiney by providing TE support at LT and while Taylor had a good game he didn't dominate the way other DEs have this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Get off of Samuels, he's been awesome the past few years, he's having a tough year this year. And get off of Jacobs too, we're log jammed at WR right now, so he hasnt gotten a real chance, but so far we've thrown the ball to him twice, and he's caught 2 passes and one of them was a TD that I dont think any other WR on our team could have brought in, it was a remarkable catch. Just wait till Jacobs gets his chance, he's gonna be a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 No kidding. And just when did Taylor suck so much that Samuels or anybody else should dominate him? Taylor made an outstanding move, ( the truly good ones tend to do that), and got there. Now. Watch the game some more. You'll notice some plays later Taylor trying to do the same exact thing again, only this time Samuels was ready for it. Taylor didn't get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprils Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 Watch Samuels on every game if you have the resources to get all the games on DVD and I won't have to say anything. Just watch the films. With regards to Jacobs, I'm just stating that we have been forking out bonuses to players that are injured and they have not performed. We should not even pay bonuses. It's a waist. They get NR when they get some money in their pockets and they don't want to perform. The only player that I can say that is performing even though he got a huge bonus is LC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 TE support? I didn't even know we had a tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sashae Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Would you have rather had 2-time Pro Bowler Chris Samuels, or 2-time... something Courtney Brown. Or two time... something Peter Warrick. C'mon. He may not be playing at the level that we've come to expect from him, but we should be thanking our lucky stars we didn't end up with Brown or Warrick (even with his renaissance this year). -s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 TE support? I didn't even know we had a tight end. Look closely, it's not really a TE.... it's a cardboard cut-out of a player that looks like a TE. The tackle, Winey in this case, carries the cut-out under his arm and places it to his left after breaking the huddle. On pass patterns, the cut-out is simply drug behind a WR entering a zone so as to appear a TE has released into the defensive secondary. In instances where there is no WR entering a particular zone, the cut-out is simply stuck to the back of a passing defender so as to appear there is a TE in the pattern yet "he" is covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Rayprils, I do have the means to watch the games again. Dating back quite a ways as a matter fact. I've watched these games a couple of times myself. Let's just say that though I agree this hasn't been Samuels greatest year, ( it's in his head, that's the problem. Though he's coming out of it), I don't think it's been as bad as some think. Call it that subjective thing. Jacobs, well, let's face it, the first injury was a freak thing and a damned serious one. when he came back from that, he was on the field, though briefly. But even then, he's still a very young and raw talent. As wide receivers tend to be. Our guy Coles took a couple of years to develop into the magnificant player he is now. Noble is also a freak deal. Can't blame anyone for the possible career ending injury there. Fiore, well, that's up for grabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 He is such a bust that he has only made 2 probowls and has had 1 bad season, dam he is soooooooooo bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 actually, Kevin Ware did a decent job of blocking against the Dolphins. He is raw and may not be a long-term solution, but somebody once said that blocking is 75% effort and 25% good coaching. With Flemister and Chamberlain I have doubts that even the best OL/TE coach could do much with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Originally posted by Cskin Look closely, it's not really a TE.... it's a cardboard cut-out of a player that looks like a TE. The tackle, Winey in this case, carries the cut-out under his arm and places it to his left after breaking the huddle. On pass patterns, the cut-out is simply drug behind a WR entering a zone so as to appear a TE has released into the defensive secondary. In instances where there is no WR entering a particular zone, the cut-out is simply stuck to the back of a passing defender so as to appear there is a TE in the pattern yet "he" is covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Damn, how many times will this thread show up ? One bad year.. that isn’t even over yet (well, for him it probably is) and he’s a bust? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayprils Posted November 26, 2003 Author Share Posted November 26, 2003 Park City Skins, I hear you. I just think this whole year, samuels could've performed better but, he stinks. In the Gibbs era, the Hogs stayed together for 10 years and they had a heart to succeed and these guys just want to get their bonuses from Danny boy and then injure themselves so, they don't have to play. Is that fair to us fans? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 That Chris Samuels could play better there is little doubt. However, he does not stink. As for the Gibbs era, it is time for us to let that go when it comes to comparisons. Simply put, guys like Parcells, Gibbs, Walsh, Allen(who never met a draft pick he didn't want to trade or an old free agent he didn't want to sign), ect. are exceptions to the rule. That's what makes them special.They also had time to develop their reps. Things weren't always rosey for them either. There were some down times. Not saying that we'll ever see S.S. mentioned in the same breath, ( he won't be a pro coach longer than 5 years it seems), but to compare him or any other coach right now to these guys is patently unfair. We can use them as a....... measuring device or in reference to the way some things can/should be done, but that's as far as it should go. As for this: "these guys just want to get their bonuses from Danny boy and then injure themselves so, they don't have to play." I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here and say you're disgruntled right now and maybe don't completely believe this..........ludicrous, ( being nice), charge. If not, please take look at the last game and tell me how Samuels "injured himself" on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 How about those two trips to Hawaii?? He made it by mistake or something? All the coaches and players were blind?? C'mon. I wouldn't mind one bit if you said Desmond Howard is a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I'd say that PCS pretty much ended this whole discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OaktonSkins/BushFan Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Originally posted by Park City Skins ... That Chris Samuels could play better there is little doubt. However, he does not stink. Let's wrap some perspective around the assertion that Samuels "does not stink." As we consider this, it's important to bear in mind the following: 1) His less than stellar, many would say mediocre, play over the past two seasons 2) Expectations (not met) 3) Money already paid 4) Money he would make assuming he's still here next season 5) Future cap impact and implications for other team needs. Simply put, let's call that value. Taking all of this into consideration, there's only one conclusion that makes sense. Samuels has been a failure over the past two seasons and, unless he was willing to take back up money, he shouldn't remain with this team over the long term. It's evident that Samuels is not up to the task of protecting the QB. And for all of you Samuels apologists out there, I'd like to keep in mind that it will cost the Redskins $6M next season to continue this failed experiment at L-OT in Spurrier's system. This is not a Pentagon program folks, this is the era of the NFL cap where such luxuries are not affordable or feasible. The fact that Samuels play over the past two years (not including early struggles under Marty) has not been consistent with expectations and investments does in fact mean that "he stinks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Let's be more specific. Let's wrap an individuals, ( in this case yours), perspective around the assertion that Samuels does not stink. That said. Yaaaaaawn. 1) Some would say mediocre but let's be real here. Actually, let's see the many. What you'll find is alot of "Samuels not playing as well" and surpisingly " it's not all the olines fault." His play early last year wasn't all that good but there are reports and more than one opinion that say he came on as the year progressed. 2) He met expectations his first couple of years and then some. There has been a drop off. Already discussed ad nauseum. 3-4)His Salary last year and this year and 2004: 375K $625K $5.132M Tell ya what. At what he was probably paid as a rookie and his performance then and what he's being paid now, there's a bargain there. No matter how he's playing. Not including next year of course. Rumors have it the team is going to attempt a restructuring, as it does with many of its back loaded contracts. 5) Pretty much addressed above. Keeping in mind that should the team do as a few here wish, they'll need a top notch Left Tackle. they do not come cheap. Measure what they have now, ( and in my opinion if/when the man can get it back together the Skins have that presently), what they'll need including the LT spot and things change radically. Taking all of this into consideration and there's only one conclusion. It's probably a good thing that you and I aren't running things. We clearly see 2 different things out there and more than likely the team sees things better. Backup money? yeah right. Like it or not he's a starter and more than likely would be a starter in alot of other places and guys like that get paid starter money. In Chris's case, some incentives would be a good idea. Some Samuels detractors, ( Gee that was easy. Love those cute little catch phrases ), would just love it if everybody saw things the same way as they do in that Samuels having a bad year means "he stinks" or is a bust, I just can't see things that simply. Maybe I'm just watching different games or something. Frankly, don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OaktonSkins/BushFan Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 PCS - I crown thee the resident and universal Redskins apologist. Is there anyone in this organization that isn't worthy of your mighty defense? Any idiot can see that Samuels isn't worth $5-6M next year or any year thereafter (backloaded). He's regressing and has been for quite sometime. Furthermore, he's not a match for the requirements of SOS's offense. I mean, do you see Samuels doing his best matador imitation this last game leading to an early exit for Ramsey? The rest of the world sure did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 When you are losing, that's generally because a lot of your key players are not playing well. So who did we generally agree were probably going to be our best players this year (in our pre-season discusssions based on previous years performance)? Arrington, Bailey, Jansen, Samuels, and Trotter (give or take a few). All have made the pro-bowl in previous seasons or were considered very close. All are highly paid. All got good to great bonuses. I believe Arrington has cost us at least a game with missed assignments and crazy late hits; Bailey, playing valiantly while hurt, has given up huge plays in the fourth quarter of two consecutive games we really could have won; Jansen and Samuels have had a ton of penalties and blown blocks that resulted in Ramsey getting crushed - which is a big part of the unraveling of the Skins this year; Trotter flat out freelanced and left stephen uncovered on the key play of the winning drive for the panthers - the huge swing pass. Everybody on the board seems to love the Rock, but his bone head fumble may have cost us the panthers game. When you lose you're always paying too much - when you win you always wish you could pay them more. Do you think Ade Jimoh is overpaid at about $300K? I'd say so. It's a complex question as to why great players sometimes screw up and play poorly. Injuries? Loss of confidence? Poor coaching? Poor scheme design? Happen to come up against players who are really hot? It not because these particular guys lack the talent or the desire though. I haven't seen them give up. If anything they're trying so hard they're pressing to make the big play and ironically allowing the big play against them. A factor that no one in this thread has discussed is that Samuels has been playing next to a guy that probably wasn't entirely ready to start or even play extensively this year. Perhaps Samuels has been forced to try and compensate for weak play by the rookie. Look, the year at this point is now a bust for everybody. How can anybody feel good about 4-7 with dalas, ny, philly, no and chicago to go. We'll be lucky to go 5-11. It's not about one guy, forget about Samuels. We need to regroup as a team, start building somthing positive. and hope to get it right next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeNoRevs Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 when did snyder start making the picks? I know that Spurrier really wanted Jacobs, and when LaVar and Samuals came out, everyone in mock drafts to Kiper to expert scouts had them rated 2 and 3. We needed a QB last year so we drafted one that looks like its going to be a pretty good pick... Why all the hate on Snyder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ross3909 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I for one like our owners interest and investment in the team. He clearly cares which is rare in todays professional sports. However, he needs to hire someone that knows what they are doing, and let them do it. So far he has assembled these great teams and then left it to the pit crew to drive the team to victory. When this does not work he steps in makes some late desparation moves and we end up starting a new system. Listen to this Synder...Good teams that have all the pieces sometimes stink. The Skins are haveing a tough year which is compounded by the fact that they have not had a good year in over a decade. Relax and let the coach drive the team. If after next year things still have not improved, go out and get a coach that knows how to win with a proven system, and let him do his thing. Oh yeah, Samuels is bad this year but he is playing next to a rookie and that is streching him a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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