Riggo'sRangers Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, JPG said: So now our lovely lady friend from twiiter Ms. Mac is praising the Matt Jones pick and saying he will go elsewhere and ball out. Any thoughts? Are these words coming Scotty? Good luck with that. I'd much rather have exactly what we have now. I hope he goes to a divisional foe actually so he can commit a key turnover to us. Hail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 That Wade Phillips info about the Jay Gruden interview is very interesting...and probably about what a lot of us suspected at the time, as we were massively confused why the Redskins didn't want Phillips over Barry, because it certainly seemed like Wade wanted to be here with his son. Its also why its a little scary to me that they extended Gruden rather than at the end of this season, considering hes had 1 playoff season, and has done a miserable job bringing in new coaches for OC and DC, showing little wisdom in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyvern Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 hours ago, JPG said: So now our lovely lady friend from twiiter Ms. Mac is praising the Matt Jones pick and saying he will go elsewhere and ball out. Any thoughts? Are these words coming Scotty? Who knows. Maybe Jones could do better with another team. I think Matt Jones could be coached up better -- the current Skins' RB coach -Randy Jordan - has yet to develop any decent talent for the Skins, and the the Skins running game has sagged since he was brought in to replace former Skins coach Bobby Turner. Even Alfred Morris diminished under Coach Jordan's tenure. I keep hoping the Skins might find someone better. I can understand Skins fans' frustration with Matt jones, because he is a frustrating case; he's got so many of the talent elements (size, speed, power, etc.) to be a really decent NFL running back. But we have all seen how his decisions in the backfield on where to go for yards, just are not good, and negate his potential. Frankly, some of those deficiencies are probably fixable through better coaching -- but Jordan hasn't been able to develop anyone! That's why I believe Jones could become a much better back elsewhere -- even though I wasn't a big fan of the pick at the beginning. I simply think the Skins could do better on their entire running back group by replacing Jordan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPG Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I pretty sure a coach can't coach what Matt Jones is lacking. I don't really know much about Jordan as a coach but blaming Morris's decline on him doesn't seem right. If so they he should credit for getting Fat Rob ready last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident2 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 This may even warrant its own topic, but I'll err on the side of caution for now. Really interesting interview with Scot McCloughan today on 106.7 The Fan. I think it's the first one he's done since being fired. Audio can be found below. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/05/09/exclusive-interview-former-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan/ Some highlights: 1. Sounded totally coherent and non-drunk, lol 2. "Too bad what happened here, but it's mutual." 3. Lots of good things to say about Dan and others. Said, "It just didn't work out." 4. "Hate leaving here. It's gonna be a good team." 5. Hopes he trained people beneath him to take the next step now that he's gone. 6. Very humble, says his name was out there because he had the title, but lots of others were a big part of the success. 7. Nice job on the draft, he says. Never saw Allen going that late. 8. "The head coach is a good evaluator. I leaned on him, he leaned on me. Holmgren, Carroll, didn't want any part of it. Jay watches a lot of tape and can identify, which helped me out quite a bit." 9. Ninety-percent of draft board was set prior to combine. 10. "Wish I could've been here longer to see things to fruition, but it is what it is. It's a marriage that didn't work." 11. Kirk not getting LTD was "an organizational thing." Seemed like he was saying it wasn't him. 12. Identify a franchise QB early, sign him long-term and move forward. That's his mentality. Says when you do that, you create a "We take care of our own" culture. 13. Too many free agency signings give you guys that "aren't Redskins." Gotta take care of your own. 14. Hard to build, but once you get it started, it's like an avalanche. "Really respect the fans a lot. Fans were incredible. I'll never forget it." Hearing him made me wistful again. With all his potential faults, he just strikes me as being so much more likable and knowledgable than Allen. Honest, forthright, clearly cares about the players and relationships. Kind of guy we need in that position. Minus the alcoholism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 That interview made me want him back so badly. He's everything I want as a Redskins GM, and Bruce may not be the devil, but he sure looks like crap compared to GMSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, NewCliche21 said: That interview made me want him back so badly. He's everything I want as a Redskins GM, and Bruce may not be the devil, but he sure looks like crap compared to GMSM. In fairness, I'd imagine he's been coached to say the right things to bump up his image after he was tarred and feathered by an anonymous source a few months ago. But I do agree with you in that I'd much prefer player personnel be handled by a guy like SM that eats, sleeps and breathes football. Unfortunately for us, I can't imagine that's ever going to happen under Bruce's watch. It's pretty clear at this point that Scott never had the power we were told he had. Guys worth their salt want the power that Scott was supposed to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: In fairness, I'd imagine he's been coached to say the right things to bump up his image after he was tarred and feathered by an anonymous source a few months ago. But I do agree with you in that I'd much prefer player personnel be handled by a guy like SM that eats, sleeps and breathes football. Unfortunately for us, I can't imagine that's ever going to happen under Bruce's watch. It's pretty clear at this point that Scott never had the power we were told he had. Guys worth their salt want the power that Scott was supposed to have. Even if he is being coached up, that's totally fine. It means that he can be on message (the GM should be good with/allowed to talk to the media), and if he can do that to Grant and Danny, then he can do that to players he wants to come here. Like that Norman guy who basically was escorted from wherever he found out that his franchise tag was rescinded, to Redskins One, to Redskins Park, to signing. And of course I agree with everything in your last part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident2 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said: But I do agree with you in that I'd much prefer player personnel be handled by a guy like SM that eats, sleeps and breathes football. Unfortunately for us, I can't imagine that's ever going to happen under Bruce's watch. It's pretty clear at this point that Scott never had the power we were told he had. Guys worth their salt want the power that Scott was supposed to have. Another thing he said I loved was when he talked about how much he'll miss the competition and how much he loved being on the sidelines to congratulate his guys after a win. That was clearly a sincere expression of his love for the game and the environment. Back to the old robotic corporate politician approach, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShredSkins Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 The part that stood out to me the most was in reference to "QB" agents and the comment about Kirk being at his ceiling. Also he came across as kinda remorseful about not being there anymore imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgundy Yoda Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, ShredSkins said: The part that stood out to me the most was in reference to "QB" agents and the comment about Kirk being at his ceiling. Also he came across as kinda remorseful about not being there anymore imo. I agree and think Kirk is at his ceiling most likely. You look at his stats and the only thing he is missing from being a dominant QB are those 35+ touchdown seasons. He could have gotten that the past two years with better redzone targets so him hitting his ceiling isn't bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSSkinz Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Dissident2 said: This may even warrant its own topic, but I'll err on the side of caution for now. Really interesting interview with Scot McCloughan today on 106.7 The Fan. I think it's the first one he's done since being fired. Audio can be found below. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/05/09/exclusive-interview-former-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan/ Hearing him made me wistful again. With all his potential faults, he just strikes me as being so much more likable and knowledgable than Allen. Honest, forthright, clearly cares about the players and relationships. Kind of guy we need in that position. Minus the alcoholism. 1 Sm will be setting our board for years to come, he will just be doing it as a consultant. I was surprised what he said about KC and it seems there is some frustration with his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Scot is probably a really nice guy who has been dismissed from every job he's ever had. He'll be hired again, although not right away, he'll last for a while and then the fans will be yelling at management, wondering why he left. What are they going to say? He's a drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Really liked Scot. That to me is a damage limitation interview to smooth perception over. Far better than sound bites on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, UK SKINS FAN '74 said: Really liked Scot. That to me is a damage limitation interview to smooth perception over. Far better than sound bites on Twitter. Yeah, it's most definitely that, but I also got the sense that it's Scot's way of saying "Let's all move on from this already, ok?"...and for both the Redskins AND him, I can't help but think it would benefit both greatly if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I guess this doesn't need a post of it's own. Jay Gruden was a big Arena League guy and suddenly we've got two teams in the area. Think he'll be looking at them and their players at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Est.1974 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Califan007 said: Yeah, it's most definitely that, but I also got the sense that it's Scot's way of saying "Let's all move on from this already, ok?"...and for both the Redskins AND him, I can't help but think it would benefit both greatly if we did. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Scot obviously wanted a chance to show that, for his part, he hopes no bridges were burnt. Not that he would work for (or with) the Redskins again necessarily, but he probably does want to work in the NFL again and playing nice - post separation - is important for other teams who might look at him in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 I just hope it means we can keep buying his evaluations and factoring them in however we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeast Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 GMSM got paid out, its the only reason he is speaking out now and in a positive light..."mutual" my ass.. Took this long to get legal and finance aligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisOneGoesTo11 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 So SM breaks his silence on the show that lampoons Allen daily. You can't tell me that's not calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident2 Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Califan007 said: Yeah, it's most definitely that, but I also got the sense that it's Scot's way of saying "Let's all move on from this already, ok?"...and for both the Redskins AND him, I can't help but think it would benefit both greatly if we did. I'm more than willing to move on if the Redskins also move on and not move BACK to where they were in 2014. To me, that means finding another GM who's most likely not in the building right now, something they talked about doing initially, but something it looks more and more like they're not going to do. The situation with Scot may have indeed been untenable, but the results of those two years on the field should make it clear that the structure was at least the right one. Find a football mind and let him mold your team. Bruce Allen does not possess that mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dissident2 said: I'm more than willing to move on if the Redskins also move on and not move BACK to where they were in 2014. To me, that means finding another GM who's most likely not in the building right now, something they talked about doing initially, but something it looks more and more like they're not going to do. The situation with Scot may have indeed been untenable, but the results of those two years on the field should make it clear that the structure was at least the right one. Find a football mind and let him mold your team. Bruce Allen does not possess that mind. I was actually referring to moving on from all the speculation, gossip and "sourced info" about what took place back in June of 2016 and who wanted to cut Cullins and who wanted to keep him and whether or not one, seven or 12 players ever saw Scot drunk, etc, etc... Part of "moving forward" is exactly doing what you said, focusing on what Allen and the FO does next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carex Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, Dissident2 said: I'm more than willing to move on if the Redskins also move on and not move BACK to where they were in 2014. To me, that means finding another GM who's most likely not in the building right now, something they talked about doing initially, but something it looks more and more like they're not going to do. The situation with Scot may have indeed been untenable, but the results of those two years on the field should make it clear that the structure was at least the right one. Find a football mind and let him mold your team. Bruce Allen does not possess that mind. I liked the 2014 draft as much as the 15 and 16 ones 49 minutes ago, RedBeast said: GMSM got paid out, its the only reason he is speaking out now and in a positive light..."mutual" my ass.. Took this long to get legal and finance aligned well that means it either wasn't that big an issue OR he can be bought off when dealing with even the most offensive problems from others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 9, 2017 Author Share Posted May 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RedBeast said: GMSM got paid out, its the only reason he is speaking out now and in a positive light..."mutual" my ass.. Took this long to get legal and finance aligned I'm assuming Scot wouldn't have been free to work elsewhere if the legal wasn't already straightened out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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