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Pelosi claims a cover up, obstruction and Trump collusion with Russia and yet won't begin impeachment hearings??

 

Is she the new 

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The President said the word "infrastructure" earlier today so now it's infrastructure week and get hyped.

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Who else is shocked that so far the courts are ruling Trump can't disobey the law because.......he feels like it?

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1 minute ago, NoCalMike said:

Who else is shocked that so far the courts are ruling Trump can't disobey the law because.......he feels like it?

 

were these liberal judges?

 

 

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1 minute ago, twa said:

 

were these liberal judges?

 

 

 

I was wondering what narrative you were going to ride once these rulings started coming in.   "Obama appointed judges" straight out of Trump's mouth and into a twa post. 

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3 minutes ago, twa said:

 

were these liberal judges?

 

 

 

Liberally ****ing Trump right in his ass

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Just now, NoCalMike said:

 

I was wondering what narrative you were going to ride once these rulings started coming in.   "Obama appointed judges" straight out of Trump's mouth and into a twa post. 

 

And if the rulings change when reaching SCOTUS the choir will sing what?

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8 minutes ago, twa said:

 

And if the rulings change when reaching SCOTUS the choir will sing what?

 

It will depend on the justification for the ruling because right off the bat if the ruling goes in Trump's favor it will be breaking current understood law/precedent. IMO, anytime you rule against existing law the burden lies on you to give a good explanation/justification for doing so. 

 

What the courts are doing right now in these rulings are merely upholding the law, where as Trump is just deciding he doesn't have to follow the law.  There is literally zero argument Trump's teams are bringing to these lawsuits other than "Because I don't want to" 

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2 hours ago, twa said:

 

And if the rulings change when reaching SCOTUS the choir will sing what?

Dude, the SCOTUS has said before that they have no ruling over something like this. This is completely in the house committees.

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3 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

Dude, the SCOTUS has said before that they have no ruling over something like this. This is completely in the house committees.

 

And they have changed their mind at times....such as Nelson.

 

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26 minutes ago, twa said:

 

And they have changed their mind at times....such as Nelson.

 

 

Do you really think the SCOTUS is prepared to blow up the constitution and change precedent for Trump? You realize he won't be the president forever and a Dem or someone else will be in there eventually, right?

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1 minute ago, Simmsy said:

Do you really think the SCOTUS is prepared to blow up the constitution and change precedent for Trump? You realize he won't be the president forever and a Dem or someone else will be in there eventually, right?

 

Judges at all levels rule against precedent, how about we wait and see how far it goes?

 

I'm still waiting for them to impeach him

 

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7 minutes ago, twa said:

 

Judges at all levels rule against precedent, how about we wait and see how far it goes?

 

I'm still waiting for them to impeach him

 

 

Again, impeachment has nothing to do with the SCOTUS, I'm hoping you're just trolling at this point.

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2 minutes ago, Simmsy said:

Again, impeachment has nothing to do with the SCOTUS, I'm hoping you're just trolling at this point.

 

it has something to do with half of your post I replied to. :ols:

 

Been hitting the pipe?

 

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54 minutes ago, twa said:

 

it has something to do with half of your post I replied to. :ols:

 

Been hitting the pipe?

 

 

 

Out of curiosity, what would be your justification for Trump ignoring requests for documents?  Do you think because he is President anything/everything he wants to claim as executive privilege, he can? Other then that I am not sure what would be argued in his favor in this case.  Especially since the majority of the documents being requested are in relation to a an FBI investigation in which Mueller pretty much told congress to figure out.

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1 hour ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

So pretty much everyone in the country except the MAGA base

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24 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

 

Out of curiosity, what would be your justification for Trump ignoring requests for documents?  Do you think because he is President anything/everything he wants to claim as executive privilege, he can? Other then that I am not sure what would be argued in his favor in this case.  Especially since the majority of the documents being requested are in relation to a an FBI investigation in which Mueller pretty much told congress to figure out.

 

 

Varies by which documents.

Tax returns and such pre presidency are of rather limited legislative use unless expanded to similarly grouped persons.

 

The Mueller report redacted parts are protected by law and the call to release them w/o due process is nothing but political theater.

 

Do you want to go into the testimony demands?

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2 hours ago, twa said:

 

 

 

Tax returns and such pre presidency are of rather limited legislative use unless expanded to similarly grouped persons.

 

 

Ok let's handle this one first.  Is "limited legislative use" currently the litmus test for whether documents must be turned over?  If so, who gets to make the determination as to what the legislative usage of said documents could produce.    Can you give examples of documents being refused for this same reasoning in the past and it holding up in court?

 

Or.....are you advocating that the court should make this the law when it trickles up to the Supreme Court (assuming it gets there).  

 

Seems to me that anyone could make the claim of "limited legislative use" for anything ever if the document holders are the ones allowed to make that determination.   

 

Btw, there was the article about the IRS official that disagrees with this reasoning and did say they should be turning them over. 

 

My issue with this justification and how this is being handled by Trump's team in general is that they seem to just be making up things as they go as to whether they will or won't comply.  Has nothing to do with what the actual law/procedure suggest should be done.  If they don't want to turn something over, they just come up with a nonsense reply on the spot, full aware it is nonsense, but are hoping to just get the luck of the draw in court. 

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8 hours ago, twa said:

 

it has something to do with half of your post I replied to. :ols:

 

Been hitting the pipe?

 

 

As far as I know, I haven't insulted you or called you any names. However, you going to claim I'm on drugs and try to gaslight me for saying facts? No! No, no, no! From now on, when you say something stupid (which is on a daily basis) I'm going to treat you as such. That is the most respect I can muster for you and that is the best you deserve, sorry it has come to this. I'm still hoping that you're just a simple troll.

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1 hour ago, Simmsy said:

As far as I know, I haven't insulted you or called you any names. However, you going to claim I'm on drugs and try to gaslight me for saying facts? No! No, no, no! From now on, when you say something stupid (which is on a daily basis) I'm going to treat you as such. That is the most respect I can muster for you and that is the best you deserve, sorry it has come to this. I'm still hoping that you're just a simple troll.

He's a complicated troll.

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