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Moose & Squirrel v Boris & Natasha: what's the deal with the rooskies and trumpland?

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Yeah, that’s not a good look you got going on there Trumpie pooh.  Probably shouldn’t tell people to lie under oath for you.

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So, not only do we have collusion by Rudy but we have obstruction by Cohen.  Only thing missing are the pee tapes.

 

Republicans just keep following this guy, “He’s so great he cancelled Pelosi’s trip to Afghanistan”. It’s sad.  Real sad.  A cancer of treason.

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Mueller apparently has emails and text messages to back up these allegations, along with multiple campaign staff's testimony. 

 

Can't wait to hear SHS and Kellyanne try to spin this one.  45 is donezo.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Chew said:

Mueller apparently has emails and text messages to back up these allegations, along with multiple campaign staff's testimony. 

 

Can't wait to hear SHS and Kellyanne try to spin this one.  45 is donezo.

  

 

"Well, all of these people who have testified that Trump ordered them to lie are confessed liars."

 

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I would say he has to be done, but his base and the GOP in general just doesn't seem to care.

 

You would think more of them would be playing the long-game, but I guess not.

 

Insane times we are living in.

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1 hour ago, Chew said:

Welp.....

 

 

 

So Trump is now blatantly guilty of obstruction, and Mueller has a cache of documents to prove the above?

 

I wasn't going to masturbate tonight, but here we are. 

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6 hours ago, Chew said:

Welp.....

 

 

I love how when Klobuchar very obviously references Trump's drafting of a response on AF1 to the NYT inquiry about the Trump Tower meeting Barr responds "I'd have to know the specifics".

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8 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

Did anything happen when he directed Cohen to commit campaign finance violations? 

 

Nothing will come of this.

 

i really think this dude is untouchable 

 

People gotta vote him out in 2020.  

 

Trump in survival mode, running for re-election is going to be the ultimate stress test of our country.  

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It will matter how unequivocal the evidence is, how unequivocal the directive was, and how cleanly the evidences were obtained.  But if Trump suborned perjury, democratic house needs to set political concerns aside and pass the articles of impeachment.  

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13 hours ago, No Excuses said:

The GOPs view is that it can openly act as a benefactor of Russian oligarchs while receiving aid from Russian spy agencies to win US elections and not worry too much about losing mass support. 

 

They might not be entirely wrong. Trump will almost positively win at least ~40% of the national vote enthusiastically. He may still be re-elected. The GOP will still probably hold the Senate in 2020. 

 

They know entirely damn well that we are too fractured culturally to really unite against a group of thieves who are openly robbing this country blind. That a party can label themselves as fiscally conservative while exploding deficits and starting unpaid wars, all the while initiating tax cuts for wealthy donors is absolute insanity in any developed country but ours.

 

Between this and the shutdown, I find myself really distraught about where we are as a country. What started in 2010 has now resulted in a complete breakdown of the system. Our governance system is literally cracking at every level. And the sad thing is that is all by design. This is what the Tea Party wanted in 2010, a de-regulated impotent government, 

 

Ok...<gulps more coffee>.... here goes...

 

I get what you're saying here, and a lot of what you state is true, but we run up against that difference between truth and facts, they are not even remotely synonymous. I disagree with some of your conclusions although I am completely sympathetic to why you reach them.

 

This didn't just start with Trump. This wasn't all done by the Russians. This is the very logical result of a longterm progression of factors in politics and society at large.

 

The growth of mass marketing politics from the spread of TV/media/etc. in the 60s to a generational burnout as the hippies shot their wad and just wanted to settle in the suburbs transformed campaigning into an extremely expensive enterprise. You needed big bucks to even consider it, TV et. al. saw it as a cash cow, you drove out anyone that wasn't already preinfected with a greed is everything mentality, and then just set it running across the countryside. Politics didn't used to be a reality show genre, public service wasn't supposed to be just an shuck to feather your nest and debates used to actually be about substance (I know, shocking, but it's true). But when you had this confluence of campaigning and money and marketing and money and celebrity and money and money and money, guess what, greedy ass people acted on their greed- greed for money, for power, for attention, for status, greed for all the all there is.

 

The Republicans always have been about the greedheads, they are actually the same people that ran the world economy into the ditch in the '20s and gave us the great depression, it is amusing to see all the pearl clutching and hand wringing going on now, as if this terrible dragon just appeared out of nowhere. The difference is that the Dems used to have a committed faction that genuinely believed there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and dreamed of better things. Of course they were viciously attacked by other Dems that were too cynical to believe in any of that. But once you made the essential prerequisite to running for office a multi-million dollar buy in, that sunshine n moonbeam **** had to go. They chased their donor base as hard as the Repubs always did. Problem is that the Dems have much higher overhead costs, so it doesn't go as far.

 

And people tuned out, kinda like reading the news about the Germans and Russians duking it out on the Eastern Front, you figured hell, they both suck, rage on.

 

But things have changed in the last couple years, important things that are going to change the game. We have seen a lot of new candidates run against the money, without the institutional support that compromised their ideals, with PACs getting a lien on their souls, and this really rocks the whole money barge that politics has become,so you'll see both sides rising up to protect the status quo. Once you get the passionate idealistic ignorance and vigor of youth in there that doesn't even know or accept why you can't do it their way, you see people actually perking up and listening to someone talking about real things that directly effect them. Mindboggling!

 

That's fun and interesting in the way that street performers are, but you walk on because you have to get back to work, etc. But when you begin to get multiple candidates across the spectrum from a wide range of constituencies you start assembling enough voices, enough contacts, enough networking and cooperation to actually DO things. We're not there yet, but the attention that the freshman class in the House is already giving them momentum and energy far beyond their numbers. Do it again in '20, add 40 more new faces to this class with a couple years under their belt and their connections and crowdfunding and all that and you can see change, momentous, cosmic change in a short period of time. It's not only possible, it is historically probable.

 

So catch your breath, take a break, make a sandwich, we are nowhere near Armageddon yet (in fact we are further from it than we were two years ago).

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As much as cheap internet targeted advertising fueled the rise of Trump, I think @LD0506 is right.  We're seeing a new rise of politicians who are not as beholden to the party leadership or PACs because their ability to take the message directly to the people has never been greater.  We may never see a truly multi party diversity in US politics, but we may be able to step away from the monolithic two party hegemony a bit in the sense that party no longer gets to control the rank and file members as much as they used to.

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Damn shame Barr's hearings ended yesterday.

 

Someone drag his butt back in there and ask him a couple Qs, we got some new information.

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42 minutes ago, RedskinsFan44 said:

Fox New website has absolutely nothing about the Buzzfeed story.

 

They lead with Honduran migrants reaching Mexico on Fox and Friends this morning.  

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This story is a huge deal. It's big enough that Susan Collins will be very concerned about what she's hearing.

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Can you imagine any president of the United States being dumb enough to say to somebody, ‘I’d like you to go over and lie to Congress.'”

Yes

 

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