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10 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

I have no idea what is acceptable or even allowed as far as an answer (ie sanctions etc).  But he certainly could have made it a primary news item and potentially stopped Russia or limited their influence.

(Any answer would have been acceptable, including that you couldn't think of anything.)

Let's keep in mind though, that if Obama was worried about making things worse, he and most people assumed Trump was going to lose.  

So there was no point in damaging people's faith in the system, making things worse than it seemed it would be at the time, or helping Trump, when they could just be able to do all that after the election anyway.  In hindsight, it may very well have been a mistake, but it's hard to put ourselves in Obama's shoes in that time and be sure we wouldn't be taking an unnecessary risk that would backfire dangerously.  On the other hand there may have been more low key things he could have done, that wouldn't have made a huge difference one way or the other, but we would probably still be where we are now.

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1 minute ago, visionary said:

(Any answer would have been acceptable, including that you couldn't think of anything.)

Let's keep in mind though, that if Obama was worried about making things worse, he and most people assumed Trump was going to lose.  

So there was no point in damaging people's faith in the system, making things worse than it seemed it would be at the time, or helping Trump, when they could just be able to do all that after the election anyway.  In hindsight, it may very well have been a mistake, but it's hard to put ourselves in Obama's shoes in that time and be sure we wouldn't be taking an unnecessary risk that would backfire dangerously. 

Thats why it would be prudent to just do the right thing rather than trying to figure out the political math.

 

The right thing would have been to expose Russian meddling and done what we could to stop it and punish how we could.  And if it made people lose faith that's the price to pay for being honest and forthright.  Hindsight it is definitely a mistake.  But even if Hillary won, hindsight would still show it to be a mistake to not do more.  But then they would be dealing with people on the right claiming it helped her win.

 

If Russia is the enemy, then it should have been a no brainer.  They over thought it and looked at it politically instead of nationally.

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Wasn’t there the whole thing about the Obama administration approaching Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell about issuing a joint statement regarding Russian interference and McConnell refusing?

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3 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

 

I dunno, maybe badger the **** out of him, accuse him of bad faith and generally air your stupid grievances like you do with everyone else.

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13 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

Wasn’t there the whole thing about the Obama administration approaching Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell about issuing a joint statement regarding Russian interference and McConnell refusing?

Yes, McConnell **** blocked it.

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17 minutes ago, Dan T. said:

Wasn’t there the whole thing about the Obama administration approaching Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell about issuing a joint statement regarding Russian interference and McConnell refusing?

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/23/mitch-mcconnell-russia-obama-joe-biden-359531

 

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Joe Biden said Tuesday that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell stopped the Obama administration from speaking out about Russian interference in the 2016 campaign by refusing to sign on to a bipartisan statement of condemnation.

 

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8 minutes ago, visionary said:

 

 

 

 

 

Dumping on her?  I thought he preferred pee.

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41 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Yes, McConnell **** blocked it.

Always the excuse for Obama’s lack of leadership. 

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32 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Always the excuse for Obama’s lack of leadership. 

 

seems that way

 

Oh, we couldn't do anything w/o that guy giving us political cover :rolleyes: 

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What the hell is going on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Always the excuse for Obama’s lack of leadership. 

 

I wouldnt call it a lack of leadership. He followed the rules the system provided him with. He should have broken them. 

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4 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I wouldnt call it a lack of leadership. He followed the rules the system provided him with. He should have broken them. 

 

Exactly what rules constrained him?

 

I think him and his bunch assumed Hillary would win so it was better to wait while enjoying Trump rocking the GOP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, twa said:

 

seems that way

 

Oh, we couldn't do anything w/o that guy giving us political cover :rolleyes: 

 

49 minutes ago, Kilmer17 said:

Always the excuse for Obama’s lack of leadership. 

 

And we all know both of you would be in here saying Obama tried to swing the election for Hilary had he  revealed that “Russia was interfering in the election to help Trump” so nobody gives a **** what either of you think on this matter. Don’t even try to act like you are bemoaning the absence of leadership 

 

Hell he didn't say anything and he is still being accused by your moronic party of trying to swing the election. 

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you excuse him because of what we might say?

 

Must not have been a real problem then.

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25 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I wouldnt call it a lack of leadership. He followed the rules the system provided him with. He should have broken them. 

I'm interested also.  What exact rule constrained him?

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Obama was hoping Hillary would win anyway.  If he seriously thought Trump might win, he would've said something.

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Today was nothing but political theater. I've grown to find it so tedious. Bunch of blowhards trying to score points. No attempt to uncover truth. No attempt to better America. Just provide cover for a corrupt, treasonous Administration or take potshots at it. I admit, it can be funny when the politicos on my side score a direct hit and spotlight the absurdity or actual wrongdoing of the Trump/GOP, but overall, it's such a waste of time. No purpose in today's six million hour deposition other than yapping.

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