visionary Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Judging by the admin's history with deals and their announcements, I'm sure it's all good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooked Crack Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Notorious corruption fighter, Donald Trump, commuting a guy who tried to sell a Senate seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: I wish the commentary would stop that we have a great economy now, it's so misleading. If all presidents started deficit spending over a trillion dollars while in an already solid economy, of course the numbers will look great. The fact that we have over trillion dollar deficits should be causing a bit of a panic. The moment we have a slow down, we are ****ed. How good would the Obama recovery look if deficits stayed over a trillion dollars every year he was in office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Don't believe your lying eyes - Ron Vara Why do they give him air time? He was caught quoting a fake person in his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Cooked Crack said: Notorious corruption fighter, Donald Trump, commuting a guy who tried to sell a Senate seat. Do you have any evidence that he tried to sell a Senate seat? Not that you can believe evidence. I’m not sure why we really even need evidence. We don’t have any evidence that Mueller is corrupt but we all know it’s true. Anyway, Trump is President so I win!! The Age of the Moron is upon you. Roll Tide mother****ers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I think all these pardons should be credited to Susan Collins, Lamar Alexander and Lisa Murkowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Evil Genius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: This one I have no problem with, tbh. From what I can tell, he's done a lot of good post conviction. Maybe I'm wrong on it..and not really sure what the pardon does since he's not in jail or awaiting charges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristarchus Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Trump is just pardoning a bunch of "Trumps" in the business and political world. Building his case for his own future wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, @SkinsGoldPants said: I think all these pardons should be credited to Susan Collins, Lamar Alexander and Lisa Murkowski. Now now... Senator Collins is reportedly very concerned about these pardons but she is certain...errrr....hopeful that the President has learned from the backlash not to do it again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 No corruption is too small. Circle the wagons of wealth that will hand him the reins for life.https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-declares-himself-chief-law-enforcement-officer-barr-doj-2020-2 And now Trump says he is the Chief Law enforcement officer in the country. I am the State. Oops! More steps down the paths we've seen in the worst parts of history. ... but i'm probably just sounding stupid. ~Dang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, Bang said: Oops! More steps down the paths we've seen in the worst parts of history. ... but i'm probably just sounding stupid. Best be ready. -Buzzang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Guys, Susan Collins is getting more and more concerned by the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Best be ready. -Buzzang i'm fine with any of the common post-apocalyptic scenarios given how well people are doing at civilization so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Hersh said: I wish the commentary would stop that we have a great economy now, it's so misleading. If all presidents started deficit spending over a trillion dollars while in an already solid economy, of course the numbers will look great. The fact that we have over trillion dollar deficits should be causing a bit of a panic. The moment we have a slow down, we are ****ed. How good would the Obama recovery look if deficits stayed over a trillion dollars every year he was in office? I don't understand why this point isn't made every time in places like CNN. The economy isn't doing well. We are where we are because of huge deficit spending. The very thing that the Republicans fought Obama on. It would probably more useful if we went to talking about deficit/GDP in 2019 was 5.1%. The largest since 2012, and from what is being reported, it will be even larger this year. And minus the years of the great recession, that's the greatest value since 1983. https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Hersh said: I wish the commentary would stop that we have a great economy now, it's so misleading. If all presidents started deficit spending over a trillion dollars while in an already solid economy, of course the numbers will look great. The fact that we have over trillion dollar deficits should be causing a bit of a panic. The moment we have a slow down, we are ****ed. How good would the Obama recovery look if deficits stayed over a trillion dollars every year he was in office? I really don’t think any politician deserves credit for a good economy. Economic growth is more likely out of a presidents control, if they could control it would be a science and every president would have a great economy. I doubt they can cause bad economies either, but, if i had to guess they can more easily hurt the economy than help it... think all the law changes that took place under president bushes tenure that led to the banking crisis. Also, comparing gdp growth in the years following a recession to gdp growth now is apples to oranges. Most of the deficit spending is spending on things democrats want, the only difference between now is that there is less tax revenue coming in. Besides, this seems to show debt increased a lot during Obama’s years in office and has flattened out in the later part of his tenure and through most of Trumps. High deficit spending should add to the national debt, but it’s not under trump so i think at least that part of your premise is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said: I really don’t think any politician deserves credit for a good economy. Economic growth is more likely out of a presidents control, if they could control it would be a science and every president would have a great economy. I doubt they can cause bad economies either, but, if i had to guess they can more easily hurt the economy than help it... think all the law changes that took place under president bushes tenure that led to the banking crisis. Also, comparing gdp growth in the years following a recession to gdp growth now is apples to oranges. Most of the deficit spending is spending on things democrats want, the only difference between now is that there is less tax revenue coming in. Besides, this seems to show debt increased a lot during Obama’s years in office and has flattened out in the later part of his tenure and through most of Trumps. High deficit spending should add to the national debt, but it’s not under trump so i think at least that part of your premise is wrong. 1. We are spending money because of Democratic and Republican priorities. The wall, increased border enforcement, and defense spending are huge costs. 2. Your graph is not debt, but debt vs. GDP. That makes recession look particularly bad because the GDP goes down. Even if you hold the line and don't add to the debt at all during a recession, the debt vs. GDP will go up (because GDP went down). Here's a good source for data like this. https://www.statista.com/statistics/203064/national-debt-of-the-united-states-per-capita/ That's debt per capita (per a person), and you can see it's still going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CousinsCowgirl84 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: 1. We are spending money because of Democratic and Republican priorities. The wall, increased border enforcement, and defense spending are huge costs. Trump didn’t get money for wall, and we would likely need to spend money on increased boarder enforcement and defense anyway.... Did those costs also go up under Obama? 1 minute ago, PeterMP said: 2. Your graph is not debt, but debt vs. GDP. That makes recession look particularly bad because the GDP goes down. Even if you hold the line and don't add to the debt at all during a recession, the debt vs. GDP will go up (because GDP went down). Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I was wondering what caused the huge jump, didn’t think about gdp going down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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