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I don't get it.. Why engage the guy who won't change his views.... It's just a freaking circular argument that goes nowhere it's obvious he is a Trump MAGA lover who loves every despicable thing this Piece of **** president does......

Like for real the FBI is out to get Trump... Wtf... Get out of here with that bull****

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30 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

There's always sideways...just ask twa.

 

speaking of which, those outraged by Trump that excused Clinton are what?

 

:bunny:

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15 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

 

Fake news or socialism or long waits to see doctors or terrible care or something negative quick to counteract otherwise sensible suggestions. 

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12 minutes ago, AsburySkinsFan said:

Trust me, the Tailgate was always great without your help.

...wait that sounded harsh......

Are you wooing me, you old scoundrel?

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19 minutes ago, killerbee99 said:

I don't get it.. Why engage the guy who won't change his views.... It's just a freaking circular argument that goes nowhere it's obvious he is a Trump MAGA lover who loves every despicable thing this Piece of **** president does......

Like for real the FBI is out to get Trump... Wtf... Get out of here with that bull****

If I am going to be real, I think people engage with @Ax because it is easier to argue with than it is to confront the news that is taking place or do anything about that news.

 

Yelling and arguing are more comfortable and probably more cathartic. 

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12 minutes ago, killerbee99 said:

I don't get it.. Why engage the guy who won't change his views.... It's just a freaking circular argument that goes nowhere it's obvious he is a Trump MAGA lover who loves every despicable thing this Piece of **** president does......

Like for real the FBI is out to get Trump... Wtf... Get out of here with that bull****

Well kb, there aren't many, if any, guys here that will actually change their views. Some may claim they would. But few actually ever do. So. I fit in very well.

 

I also know few believe me, or even care, but I don't love every despicable thing President Trump may do. I also don't blindly believe every accusation against him, just because it's against him. Like so many here do. It all came down to two choices for me. Him, or Hillary. Two equally despicable human beings.

But policy wise, for me, Trump was the only choice. I pulled the lever fully aware that I was voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

 

And remember, Mueller, Comey and the FBI went after Steven Hatfill as the anthrax perpetrator. Based mostly on the testimony of 2 barking dogs. Hatfill was exonerated, and won a multi-million dollar lawsuit. So, it's not out of the realm of possibility for swamp members of the FBI to "get" the guy who said he would drain that swamp. Between two barking dogs, and a Democrat paid for dossier filled with BS acquired by Russians, you'll have to excuse me for having a lack of faith in the witch hunt.

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6 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

If I am going to be real, I think people engage with @Ax because it is easier to argue with than it is to confront the news that is taking place or do anything about that news.

 

Yelling and arguing are more comfortable and probably more cathartic. 

 

I strongly suspect you are right. People here in particular seem to use it to de-stress. 

 

Also

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-everyone-on-the-internet-so-angry/

 

Fun read but its a little old. They were talking about how bad the election season in 2012 was on peoples mental health. Its funny when you compare it to this most recent one. 

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I used to believe that global warming wasn’t happening and if it was, was not caused by human.

 

Thanks in part to this forum, I’ve changed my view on it over the years.  You just have to be willing to allow facts to change your mind.

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3 minutes ago, Llevron said:

 

I strongly suspect you are right. People here in particular seem to use it to de-stress. 

 

Also

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-everyone-on-the-internet-so-angry/

 

Fun read but its a little old. They were talking about how bad the election season in 2012 was on peoples mental health. Its funny when you compare it to this most recent one. 

It's not just de-stressing tho.

 

I mean it is easier to rail on someone than to create change in our society.

 

We all do it. My only issue is why do people keep doing it with him because it is talking to a brick wall, and vice versa with him.

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13 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

We all do it. My only issue is why do people keep doing it with him because it is talking to a brick wall, and vice versa with him.

 

However, if we only ever listen to those folks who agree with us, no one ever grows...(not an indictment of you)

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23 minutes ago, Ax said:

Well kb, there aren't many, if any, guys here that will actually change their views. Some may claim they would. But few actually ever do.

 

I'd estimate that probably half of the people in this forum who you want to dismiss as being biased beyond hope of redemption are former Republican voters.  

 

I, myself, voted the straight Republican ticket in '76, '80, '84, and '88.  I switched because Bush 1 signed the federal asset forfeiture law, which I considered an unconstitutional seizure of an authority which the government didn't have.  (And one which they intended to use, to pursue a "Drug War" which the federal government also didn't have the authority to pass.)  There were other reasons, but that was The Final Straw.  

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3 minutes ago, Larry said:

 

I'd estimate that probably half of the people in this forum who you want to dismiss as being biased beyond hope of redemption are former Republican voters.  

 

I'm one of that half. No Child Left Behind was a big one for me which basically had me change from R to independent. Then the Patriot Act was passed and reaffirmed what I felt after NCLB. Citizens United was thrown in there too proved a point of no return. 

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5 minutes ago, Busch1724 said:

 

I'm one of that half. No Child Left Behind was a big one for me which basically had me change from R to independent. Then the Patriot Act was passed and reaffirmed what I felt after NCLB. Citizens United was thrown in there too proved a point of no return. 

Bush lost me going into 2004 as the reality about the Iraqi WMD really starting coming to light. Thank you Knight Ritter News for having the story correct from the start. I was so pissed at Bush for manipulating my fears, anger, and desire for justice, into support for his war of choice. I trusted that ****, I know I shouldn't have, but I did. Only to find out later that it was ALL a lie AND others knew it before the invasion AND brought it to Bush's attention and he blew them off.

As a veteran that pissed me off, and still does. 

From that point I began a journey of self reflection where I figured out where I stood on issues and didn't pick any party's issues, because so many are not dependent upon one another. And then there was little Jesus journey that I went on around the same time, and believe it or not I came out more Centrist than I started which probably comes as an anathema to most Trump Evangelicals.

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1 hour ago, twa said:

 

speaking of which, those outraged by Trump that excused Clinton are what?

 

:bunny:

Are you talking about Bill Clinton and the sex "scandals" vis a vis Trump? In which case I don't give a **** about either, which I have made quite clear elsewhere.

 

Or are you rehashing the manufactured Hillary "scandals" for the typical "whataboutisms" to excuse Cheetoman?

 

Personally I am more troubled that we never properly investigated Ted Cruz's role as the Zodiac Killer.

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Only party i have ever belonged to was the Republican party.

when i first began posting in the tailgate, it was usually arguing in favor of republican policies, chiefly the War in Iraq... mostly arguing with a total lefty named Chomerics, and Predicto.

 

I haven't changed. The Republicans did. As i have said, at some point you have to see who is shoulder to shoulder with you, and whether or not their values are really the ones you share. if they are not, you have to be strong willed enough to make a little change on your voter registration.

(I think everyone should change to "unaffiliated" anyway. Right now people who ID with either party enough to belong simply tell the party that they will vote for whoever they give them. When we keep hearing that we are nevr given good choices,, well then tell them you want better. The only way they ever will is if they see the names on their rolls disappearing. If there isn't anyone left who's vote they can count on unconditionally, then maybe they will start to put up people to earn it.)

 

It doesn't take much courage. Once you grow up enough to realize that you don't owe your allegiance to any of them if they don't share your belief, and you don't have to explain it to anyone, then it's easy. **** "party". The party doesn't do anything for you except exploit the vote you already promised them.

 

Those still stuck over there on the right are there for 1 of 3 reasons. 

1, they haven't figured it out yet. No lie is a lie because they always believe the liar no matter how ham handed and how quickly and obviously it is disproved. Their favorite lie by the liar is that everyone ELSE is lying and he is the only one telling the truth. This has worked for every despot and is the first rule in the book of Propaganda in order to exploit the weakest minds in his populace.  "I am the only one who tells you truth. anyone who criticizes me is a liar."  Rule ****ing ONE in the totalitarian handbook
These people aren't bright enough to recognize themselves as the dupes in the relationship. They just simply are not smart enough. The propaganda works on them because they just don't know any better, and as such are extremely impressionable. Anger and fear drive their politics almost entirely and they are easily manipulated by even the slightest hint of either.

 

2. They can't bring themselves to admit to themselves that this tradition in their lives .. this party and political belief system that have been intertwined in them and likely their parents all their lives has changed. To many of them the party is still the same as it ever was, their values are the same, and they are the true patriots, because they'd like to think they are, and that MUST mean the people they support are. After all, why would a patriotic American do anything else?

3. They agree no matter what with what the party does. They will shift their personal morality to match what the party line is.

 

1 and 3..  There is no point. None at all. 
#2 has hope. Not in just this regime's instance, but politics in general. Life changes, parties and values change. If they no longer match your own, then either you leave or you change to adapt. And if you change to adapt, they really are not values are they? 


When people attack one candidate for sexual misgivings, but not another, relying on 'what about'..   it's not a matter of THEM.. it's YOU. When it comes to morals, scruples, ethics, values, convictions...consistency is the ONLY thing that makes any of them real. If you change them to suit the current politics, then you don't have any of them to begin with.

 

~Bang

 

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3 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said:

 

I briefly scanned the actual whitepaper, and I don't think it says what that tweet says it says.  

 

It was covered on npr or WTOP this morning. 

 

it will save a ton of money off services in terms of cost per service, but net out to cost tons to cover everyone. 

 

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