jbooma Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I hate to say this but we let the next great coach leave Washington, and that is Marvin Lewis. Last night on Inside the NFL they had him miked up for the game against the Chiefs. This man is so incredible with his words, how he can say the right thing and get anyone excited. He told Peter Warrick that he was their man today and he is going to break something. Warrick then made the game winning play the next series. All of the players just look at him and and listen to everything he said. He was very emotional but a very good motivator. I was so motivated after listening to him I got up and cleaned my entire house Mark my word he will be the next great coach, and we let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hopefully Spurrier will change his ways a bit and become more of a motivator. I know I really can't say for sure whether he is or not, but from what I've seen out of some of the players on the Skins, he really doesn't seem to be much of a motivator. Here's to one more year, Spurrier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Monk81 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 That is one of the most sobering statements I have seen posted on the board. I completely agree. I watched him coaching up his team on the "game of the week" and was inspired myself. The man is a motivator pure and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Yep...sounds like he will be a great coach. That being said, we never legitimately considered him as a head coach candidate once we had Spurrier (I know I'm not telling you anything new). We had to ride that out because seriously, I can't really remember anyone in the media or otherwise, declaring Spurrier as a bad hire. Chalk this one up to bad timing... As much as I'd like to blame this on Snyder, I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 What was amazing about him was he was so upset when KC scored, he really thought they would blow them out. However he never yelled at his players, he did say you need to do this better or that, but he never made them look bad. The funniest thing when he was talking to Rudi and said we need a lot of yards from you today and he smacked his helmet for good luck, Rudi said "ouch that hurt" with a smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Hate to say it Buck, but someone can't just "change their ways" to become a motivator. You either are, or you aren't. That's why I like Herm Edwards a lot, because he really seems like he cares about his players and will live and die with them out there on that field. I didn't think Marvin Lewis would do so well this year, based on his one year here with us in Washington. He seemed too strict and "system based". His defense never really stopped anyone, either. But look where they are and look where we are. They could go to the playoffs for God's sake and win their division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 We should have hired him in '01 as a head coach right after Balt won the SB, instead of Schotferbrains!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 At the time, I felt Lewis was a good backup plan in case Ballcoach royally shat the bed. I was hoping that Lewis would be willing to play along for a couple of years then move into the HC spot when the SOS experiment didn't work out. This plan would have required the Danny to smooze, kiss up and and of course :deal: Lewis handsomely. However, it would have been well worth it to have a coaching "backup plan" with the cred. that Lewis did/does. Of course, there was a fly in the ointment of that plan. That is, the Danny was so thoroughly convinced that SOS would succeed that I don't think he considered the option of making any real effort to keep Lewis beyond the first year. Additonally, Lewis felt that he was the unrecognized de facto HC here and didn't get along with SOS and/or the Danny very well. The long and short of it is that Lewis grew to hate the club and probably wouldn't have stayed here even if we'd offered him the HC position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I couldn't agree more, Booma. I guess Spurrier just seemed to exciting to pass up at the time. But obviously Lewis is doing something right. I was always so surprised that people knocked him when he was here. The man can flat out coach. But our defensive guys used to b*tch and moan about him like they did about Marty, and like they do about Spurrier and maybe even Edwards from time to time. I wonder who they would want to play for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsofwashington Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Whatever. Even if Cincy becomes great there is no glory! Plus, didn't he leave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 The real question is, what good HC would *want* to coach for 'lil Danny? I can't see any upside besides cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by SkinsThug The real question is, what good HC would *want* to coach for 'lil Danny? I can't see any upside besides cash. Hello Parcells, if he would play for Jones then someone would play for Snyder for the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggle in Exile Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 In my dossier of things to mock/criticize Snyder with, I leave out hiring Spurrier because at the time I thought it was a good hire. In fact, I was happy that the Eagles went after 3 DBs in the first two rounds that year because I thought it would help us against the Fun N Gun as well as the Rams (needless to say, I didn't envision the Bucs passing us in the left-hand lane....) On the other hand, the success so far of Parcells and Lewis point out a few things: NFL experience is beneficial; defense is important; winning in the trenches is vital; etc. All the old cliches still hold. Maybe the Fun N Gun can succeed given time, but the new has a lot of obstacles to overcome in order to surpass the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I can't beleiev that you think Marvin Lewis is going to be a great coach after ten games. What a joke. He's in the worst division in football, and they still are only 5-5. All those number one overall draft picks have to start producing at some point. Chad Johnson had a good year last year, and Warrick had a respectable year as well. Please hold off on the accolades, and start watching some football games before stating an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallyG3 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by Skeletor The Invincible Hate to say it Buck, but someone can't just "change their ways" to become a motivator. You either are, or you aren't. That's why I like Herm Edwards a lot, because he really seems like he cares about his players and will live and die with them out there on that field. Totally agree. You can't change your personality. Sort of agree about Edwards. I think he's a great guy, and I was REALLY impressed with him after that interview they did before the season opener. But, as a Jet fan pointed out recently (maybe Flowtrain, I don't remember), Edwards doesn't really make the necessary changes on the team until it is way too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 So Ouryear if he ends up say 9-7 with the bengals and wins the division you don't think he is a good coach????? You are an idiot to think that, this is the BENGALS, they were the laughing stock of the NFL and right now they could beat us pretty bad I bet. What he has done is amazing and guess what his players will do anything for him, I can't say that about our coach right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 There is more than one way to be a good HC. Some are vocal motivators, some are quiet. Have you ever listened to Belichick? The man sounds like he's on heavy medication. He speaks in a monotone. Not exactly one of the great motivational speakers of all time but he wins. Now listen to Marty. He's a fire and brimstone tough guy. A mans man who gets in the face of his players and challenges them. What is their record again? I think Marvin Lewis is an excellent coach. I told a buddy of mine he would have the Bengals competing this year and he looked at me like I was on crack. Well I was right. But I also think Spurrier is going to be a great coach, It is just taking longer because Spurrier has the tripple whammy of learning the NFL ropes while fixing a team that was almost as broken as the Bengals and coaching up a rookie QB. I'm telling you right now, If we make the right moves this off season we are going to have one hell of a good team next year. No major changes to the offense aside from upgrading the TE position and maybe the RB. The game will slow down for Ramsey and this offense will be deadly. On defense just upgrade the D line (big time) and add depth to the secondary and LBs and we are going to be making a run at the Super Bowl long before the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sick Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 He is 5-5 in the weakest division in football. You score 10 points and you can beat the teams in that division. I am not sold yet, by a long shot. Also, if Marvin thinks that Brown is a good owner, then he has no clue about the NFL. He'll have a Ray Rhodes-like career, mostly as a DC. --- If I was going to get an assistant coach for DC, it would Zimmer in Dallas and I'd steal Chow from USC as OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 "I can't believe that you think Marvin Lewis is going to be a great coach after ten games. What a joke. He's in the worst division in football, and they still are only 5-5." - OURYEAR#56 Personally, I think you are way off on this one. The Bengals have been the laughingstock of the NFL for a long, long, time. Regardless of whether or not they are in what you call the worst division in football, a 5-5 record for these guys is quite an accomplishment. Cincy had the worst record in the 90's, and it has seemed as though no coach who ever went there was able to shed the losing attitude that seemed to hover over the entire organization. Marvin has got these guys believing in themselves, whereas past coaches have come in and done nothing to improve the moral of that club. That is an accomplishment in itself. The fact that he's acheived such a dramatic turnaround over a 10 game span is remarkable. They put up over 30 points against a strong Baltimore defense, beat Seattle, and the previously undefeated Chiefs. That's pretty impressive. Marvin would receive my vote as coach of the year. Good for him. By the way, did anybody see Marvin do his best impression of Dick Vermeil in the locker room during the post game speech of the Chiefs game? I thought Vermeil was the only guy who cries in this league. Guess I was wrong. Regardless, Marvin should be proud of his accomplishments. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayumnuttinleft Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Some people only bleed Burgundy and Gold and will continue to have a bias opinion on other coaches and players around the NFL. When the truth of the matter is that ML is a good coach and is getting the maximum out of the little talent that he has. He doesn't have the Offensive nor Defensive talent that we have here but hey, they are winning. They did something 8 other teams couldn't do last Sunday and that's beat the Chiefs. All i ask from fans is to be truthful to your self, if your team sucks "AND WE DO" say so, don't hide behind the truth and make up excuses. When some analyst rags on the Skins, our comeback is he isn't worth Shyt or he's terrible when the truth of the matter is our FO stinks and our coaches suck. No doubt in my mind, Had Marvin been allowed to instiute his system here in DC and our whinning ass players would have listened, we would be sitting pretty right now. So I have to laugh when you make those kinds of statements about the Division being weak and so on and so forth. Think about it, they are the Friggin Bengals, a year in year out doormat.. But hey, look at the bright side of it, they don't play us, because if they did, we would get beat and your A@@ would wake up to reality that this is the NFL not the NCAA............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 In the offseason Marvin Lewis went to every function he could in Cincy just to let the city know that they were going to be winners. He was acting like a college coach in trying to recruit an entire city to believe in their football team, that is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Truth: Marvin Lewis has gotten more out of his squad - especially in his first season - than anyone expected him to. Truth: It's way too early to annoint Marvin with anything other than a "attaboy" at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Originally posted by Canadian Hog By the way, did anybody see Marvin do his best impression of Dick Vermeil in the locker room during the post game speech of the Chiefs game? I thought Vermeil was the only guy who cries in this league. Guess I was wrong. Regardless, Marvin should be proud of his accomplishments. Good for him. I caught that. That's at least the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen him go to tears after a game this season. He may be in a contest with Vermeil. He is doing a fine job in Cincy, though. Glad to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 I think what Marvin Lewis does is be able to walk that line of being a "motivator/drill sargeant/father figure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted November 22, 2003 Share Posted November 22, 2003 People said the same thing about Ray Rhodes in Philly. I think he'll be a good HC for a long time. But it's too early to know for sure. He has a veteran QB ranked 10th, good WRs, and an RB in Rudi Johnson that I liked a lot in college. He has some talent on offense and a good scheme on defense. I think SOS can motivate his types of players in private better than a lot of coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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