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On 2/24/2020 at 1:36 PM, The Sisko said:

The Cold War is over. Russia won. Hands down.

 

How?  Communism is pretty much gone, an uppercut 30 years later doesn't change the final score.

 

USSR is gone and what's left of Russia has a declining population, a failed COVID response, and an oil market getting it's ass kicked.

 

Having Trump in office helped go make sure the pandemic got out of control, that's that uppercut coming back to haunt them, and one day history will ask if it was worth it, not that they won.

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Looked at from the standpoint of doctrine, I agree with you. However, looked at from the standpoint of freedom, it's a losing proposition all over the world. The interesting thing is the similarity in M.O. between so many countries e.g. Russia, China, the U.S., India and many of the former Eastern Block countries. Russia lost communism, China gave it up in everything but name only and the U.S. has freedom in name only. The common denominator is that they've all either become or gotten further entrenched as nationalist oligarchies. Yes, that's 180 degrees away from communism, but the end result is the same, i.e. a small cabal of super rich and powerful people run the country like their own personal piggy bank while everyone else is either schtupped or worried they're on the path to it. I get that for most of its existence, this country has been an oligarchy. However, I foolishly thought that we'd put that behind us. Silly rabbit.🙁

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16 hours ago, The Sisko said:

Looked at from the standpoint of doctrine, I agree with you. However, looked at from the standpoint of freedom, it's a losing proposition all over the world. The interesting thing is the similarity in M.O. between so many countries e.g. Russia, China, the U.S., India and many of the former Eastern Block countries. Russia lost communism, China gave it up in everything but name only and the U.S. has freedom in name only. The common denominator is that they've all either become or gotten further entrenched as nationalist oligarchies. Yes, that's 180 degrees away from communism, but the end result is the same, i.e. a small cabal of super rich and powerful people run the country like their own personal piggy bank while everyone else is either schtupped or worried they're on the path to it. I get that for most of its existence, this country has been an oligarchy. However, I foolishly thought that we'd put that behind us. Silly rabbit.🙁

 

It's not over yet, this is a conversation as old as civilization, it wasn't going to end that easy.

 

Maybe I'm the optimist, but the Trump administration is looking more and more like a last gasp of many of the worst aspects of our country having the steering wheel.

 

Now if the country keeps flip-flopping between Democracy and Authoritarianism, then one day it will land there and might not flip back.  Im not convinced thats where we are right now, the switch will flip back and then we see where we at.

 

China is the model for authoritarianism with a powerful economy, but its still export dominate and cheating in ways even other authoritarian governments don't approve of, like Saudi Arabia.

 

Another cold war (but between US and China) might not be as simple of freedom vs tryanny when even even the tryants are getting bullied by the biggest bully on the block.

 

 

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On 10/16/2020 at 4:13 AM, visionary said:

 

 

I thought they already did have a deal ?  

 

Well apparently they didn't - the withdrawal agreements was only tentative and didn't really cover stuff like trade.

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