Bang Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Is there anyone who can't beat Chris Samuels one on one? ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Bruce Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Tooth Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Good question. I doubt. I bet I could beat him. I have no idea how the guy is considered a pro bowler, or a first round pick. Think of all the other guys we could have gotten at that pick. WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Originally posted by CrankyTodd Bruce Smith? :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 I'm just remembering all of the doofuses giving me sh!t for questioning whether Samuels was worth his enormous ballooning cap figures in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 He is pitiful. What a waste of a top five pick.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljer Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Getting beat like a drum......again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 He is a smashmouth type but still no excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRock Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 It baffles me how he is playing. Jansen played a little better didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted November 16, 2003 Share Posted November 16, 2003 Originally posted by DaRock It baffles me how he is playing. Jansen played a little better didn't he? I thought Jansen did pretty well today. I thought Samuel's man was constantly pushing him into Ramsey if not beating him and hitting Ramsey. There is no way this guy has lost it... There is something wrong with him. It's either his concentration is piss poor or his technique isn't where it should be. You just can't go from being a pro-bowl caliber type LT to being piss poor. I want to hear it from Jacoby what he thinks about Samuels. I'm trying to get on with him on the 5th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaRock Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Do you think he's on druuuuuugggggsssss? :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HittinSkinz Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 You guys keep forgetting that Samuels went to ALABAMA.. a run first program.. he didnt give up a sack his entire SR year because they only threw it a few times the whole season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSolo Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 I'm just remembering all of the doofuses giving me sh!t for questioning whether Samuels was worth his enormous ballooning cap figures in the next few years. Ditto. I post on a few skins boards around the net but not much on this particular one, basically because it is full of unknowledgeable homers. I recall creating a post 3 weeks into this season labelled "Samuels is a bust", and got the "you're crazy" replies amongst other retorts. It amazes me that so called skins fans are just now figuring out he isn't very good. Nice rookie season, but has sucked every year since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 All I know is, when Russ Grimm was here Samuels and Jansen as youngsters were steadily improving. Ditto under Marty. The past two seasons have been an unmitigated disaster. Ballooning contracts and declining productivity. Some of the problems have indeed been the backs and tight ends, but today was evidence these guys are just having trouble in their individual matchups as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Originally posted by UtahRedskins :doh: That was a very useful post. Thanks for blessing us with your enlightened football knowledge, O esteemed high-school football coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Samuels isnt a bust place any LOT in this system with defenses having no reason to respect the run and guess what will happen. However his huge contract isnt helping things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Thanks for blessing us with your enlightened football knowledge, O esteemed high-school football coach. I agree. The drive bys get old. Get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 LOL You know, Ancalagon the Black, in order to have a civilized conversation about Chris Samuels with those who have blasted him here in this thread, it would be necessary for the group to have the same knowledge base in order to have that discussion. Its pretty simple as a fan to blast when things don't go right. Now, if someone can explain the reasons why Chris isn't doing well because of what they saw this game, then I will be all ears (or eyes in this case). Unfortuantely, there are not enough people on the board who have the knowledge or the patience to have that discussion. Maybe what we can do is set something up where people can talk to each other in a group setting and give their opinions on sitiuations and then we can understand better what people are saying. In the end though, ANYBODY who has a working knowledge of the game on the field of play as well as on the sidelines would simply laugh at the posts instead of teach because they would have an easier time arguing with a STOP sign. Fans are 100 times more emotional than any player or coach and they are not easy to help in understanding what is wrong. Fans have a tendency to remember all the good things or good players and what they did instead of dealing with the now and what is good and bad with the hand delt. Its pretty easy to hit the reset button on that Madden game and start again. Sorry, armchair QBs just don't get enough experience from their living rooms to give an honest critique on a player. Everyone on the board has the right to their opinion. I encourge that as much as anyone. However, when people have expressed an opinion and base it on things that are inaccurate about the game, I generally stand up and say something. Whether it be small (a drive by) or something big, I'll pipe in with something. Now, while its impossible to make this statement and it not sound egotistical, I'll make it anyway because it is a statement of fact. There is not much about football as a player or as a coach that I do not know about. I have been either playing or coaching for the past 25 years. When I speak about the game, I speak from experience all the way through the collegete level. I have fellow coaches who have played, coached or officiated in the NFL. More then you can count on your 2 hands and I am learning everyday from those guys about the various things that happen in the game so that I can become a better coach. I go to clinics and have actually given a few speeches to fellow coaches about the things that I know about in this great game. Nothing earth-shattering, but productive and helpful. My goal is to be an NFL head coach. I have a long way to go but I am on the right track. I may never get there but the journey will be a blast one way or another. I hope that I earn that chance one day. But anytime, anyone wants to sit down and talk football with me, I have one criteria. Have a clue about what it is your trying to talk to me about. Its like if I went up to you and started making emotional statements about your profession and while being an ass about it, I was wrong also. I think I know what type of response I would get and in the end, it would be desered. Now, you want to get into details about whats going wrong with the team, we can. I will be fully aware of what my limitations on the subject will be and I will try not to make any crap up to back up my false statements. Can you say the same? AtB and Whiskeypeet, I may be guilty of the occassional driveby, of that there is no doubt. But I've posted here a long time. Not often, but for a long time. And frankly, and as I've said,what get's old is arguing with the stop sign. As I've stated before, I'm constantly learning more about the game of football. From those who have played it, and those who have coached it. I only wish that some here would be willing to do the same. It's easy to be a critic, but as the saying goes, walk a mile in another person's shoes. You guys want to match up on FOOTBALL knowledge, fine. Let's go. Let's get the tapes, Tivo , whatever. Let's agree, disagree or meet in the middle, but let's make sure it's an informed opinion. Hell, I'm only a highschool coach, shouldn't be that hard. Maybe, we'll see who really needs to get over who's self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Originally posted by NavyDave Samuels isnt a bust place any LOT in this system with defenses having no reason to respect the run and guess what will happen. However his huge contract isnt helping things Originally posted by bulldog All I know is, when Russ Grimm was here Samuels and Jansen as youngsters were steadily improving. Ditto under Marty. The past two seasons have been an unmitigated disaster. Ballooning contracts and declining productivity. Some of the problems have indeed been the backs and tight ends, but today was evidence these guys are just having trouble in their individual matchups as well. Agreed - it's coaching. These players have proved themselves. The coaches haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeypeet Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 You guys want to match up on FOOTBALL knowledge, fine. Let's go. Let's get the tapes, Tivo , whatever. Let's agree, disagree or meet in the middle, but let's make sure it's an informed opinion. Hell, I'm only a highschool coach, shouldn't be that hard. Maybe, we'll see who really needs to get over who's self. You see thats exactly the problem with you Utah. No one questions that you know more about the Xs and Os of the game. Thats great. In fact its nice to hear an informed opinion from someone who knows what he is talking about. Unfortunately lately it seems that you would rather bash and belittle others for their uninformed opinions. You may have posted here for a long time....but when you do that you add very little to the board. And it suprises me little that you want to enter into this d*** measuring contest with me. What would matching up football knowledge with me do for you? Im a CPA....not a football coach. You obviously know a ton more. So why don't you spend more time on this board explaining thatn belittling? Apperantly you would much rather rub my face in it. If posters here are just so uniformed that you can hardly stand to read the posts then heres a little tip.......don't read the posts. Obviously your going to keep on doing whatever you feel like on this board but if you truly want to "encourage other to express their opinions" then why don't you spend a little more time criticizing constructively? It can't be that hard for you.....you are a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamaskin Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 I believe Samuels didn't give up a sack his whole college career but who cares. The point is he has gone constantly down each year. Some of it is probably the coaching of Helton and the play calling of Spurrier and the inability of Patrick to get rid of the ball when some of his lineman get beat. Of course the major part is he has just not done the job as a all pro would be able to neutalize all of that stuff. I also noticed Jansen getting pushed back into Ramsey by none other than peppers and him and the quard were not switching well on the stunts. All in all we did much better in the second half on protection and it was good to see the backs make some blocks. Look like Trungs minutes are going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTerps2002 Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Jansen played alot worse today than Samules did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Utah, is it me; or is Samuels suffering from playing next to a ROOKIE? I don't see Samuels reaking down much at all. I DO see Dockery looking confused by stunts and invariably blocking the wrong man. This it would seem (to me anyway) to put undue pressure on Friedman AND Samuels to make up for that...(or Lumps on Ramsey's head for that matter). secondly, how difficult is it for Dockery to transition from college to the pros (with regards to O-line play) and is he behind/ahead of the curve so to speak? -D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yank Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 We now return to our regularly scheduled program ... Originally posted by brookboyz25 I thought Jansen did pretty well today. I thought Samuel's man was constantly pushing him into Ramsey if not beating him and hitting Ramsey. There is no way this guy has lost it... There is something wrong with him. It's either his concentration is piss poor or his technique isn't where it should be. You just can't go from being a pro-bowl caliber type LT to being piss poor. I want to hear it from Jacoby what he thinks about Samuels. I'm trying to get on with him on the 5th quarter. Thought Jansen did well? Peppers was pimp slapping him all game, bull rushing Jansen right into Ramsey's mug. All freakin' day. He and Thomas couldnt handle it when Kris Jenkins rushed to their side and played a simple two-man game. Leave Samuels alone. Rucker has 11 sacks, leading the league. They left him out on the island alone. He gave up a sack, sure. But watch the whole game as it unfolds before jumping on one obvious mistake. Yeah, ask Jacoby - if he ever game up one sack to LT - and everyone wanted his head for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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