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      ES Coverage: Giants vs Redskins 
       
      12/9/18
       
      DEFEAT!!!
       
      Giants 40 - Redskins 16
       
      Greetings friends, JimmiJo here, and I am joined by my shivering partner, Spaceman Spiff. Together we will bring you this all important NFC East divisional matchup between the Washington Redskins and New York Giants.
       
      When I was last with you the Redskins had command of the division and there was optimism to spare. Since, devastating injuries to quarterbacks, linemen, and cornerbacks has left this team losers in 4-of-5 contests.
       
      But there is still everything to play for, and if they can manage a victory today and the Eagles to the same Washington will once again have a share of the lead.
       
      I can dream can't I?
       
      On paper, the future looks grim. A continued collapse will start the questions about the future of personnel and perhaps leadership. Yes, we can certainly point to injuries as the primary reason the team is struggling. But the record earlier in the year was masking some issues with the squad. No real arial threat. An inconsistent running game. And a defense that has been anything but consistent.
       
      But these are questions for another time. Today, it is just two teams looking for a win.
       
      See you at the half.
       
      Follow along on Twitter @Skinscast 
       
      Inactives
       
      The Redskins declared the following players as inactive:
      o   No. 12 QB Colt McCoy
      o   No. 32 RB Samaje Perine
      o   No. 46 RB Kapri Bibbs
      o   No. 52 LB Ryan Anderson
      o   No. 63 C Demetrius Rhaney
      o   No. 66 G Tony Bergstrom
      o   No. 99 DL Caleb Brantley
       
      JimmiJo
       
      I was happy to see players like Josh Johnson and Byron Marshall in the game. The marquee guys did not earn the right to play following the disastrous first half. It was historically bad.
       
      Never before had the Washington Redskins trailed by as much as the 34-0 deficit they entertained today at the half.
       
      I remarked to one of the writers that in 13-seasons I had never seen this team so outplayed as today. The offense led by Mark Sanchez was throw-up in mouth bad. At no point did you feel like they would or could score.
       
      I tweeted before the game that it is time for Daniel Snyder to replaced head coach Jay Gruden. Yes injuries are the headline. But the offense was poor before the injuries.
       
      No aerial threat and an inconsistent rushing. They only seemed to score 20-points per game.
       
      What they did do well was hold on to the ball. And the defense was a takeover machine the first half of the year.
      But turnovers tend to even out.
       
      So I was more than glad to see those ‘backups’ play. All they did was show they should have been playing in the first half.
       
      Especially Johnson. Take a look at your Redskins’ starter the rest of the way. From his first snap the offense looked different. There was energy. There was life.
       
      And there was threat.
       
      Johnson played with more command, accuracy and imagination than Mark Sanchez. He looked much more the accomplished quarterback.
       
      A word on Josh Doctson. You are an idiot. Without the stupid penalty you are not letting the safety out-position you to make the pick with 5-minutes left.
       
      Following this game, staring at the standings and considering possible scenarios for getting in the playoffs is fools’ gold. It is all about assessing who it worth keeping for next year.
       
      I don’t believe head coach Jay Gruden is going to make the list. Nor should he. He has had nore than enough time to do something here. He had Kirk Cousins’ starting over 3-full seasons.
       
      He had his chance.
       
      I tweeted before the game team owner Daniel Snyder should let Gruden go and bring in Mike McCarthy. Washington Post writer (and friend) Rick Snider made a great counterpoint to that idea:
       
      “Why would McCarthy want to come here? He has better options,” he said.
       
      That sure feels like the truth. And if so, it may explain why Gruden is fast becoming one of the most tenured coaches in the league.
       
      This was my last game for this season. I would like to thank Extremeskins and the team for the opportunity this year. I will see you guys next year.
       
      Let me go on the record now and say I do not think Jay Gruden's position here is secure. Not with the likes of Mike McCarthy available.
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Thank ****ing god I was poor and unknown when I was that age.

 

Yeah but there are 32 first round picks every year and most of them have their heads on straight. Johnny is a rare kind of hot mess.

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Yeah but there are 32 first round picks every year and most of them have their heads on straight. Johnny is a rare kind of hot mess.

 

I'm assuming KoolBlue was a rare kind of hot mess at that age, too, just without any funds to maximize the mess and make it grow lol...

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Browns name RGIII starter.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/sports/football/browns-name-robert-griffin-iii-as-starting-quarterback.html?_r=0

CLEVELAND — There were plenty of signs pointing to Robert Griffin III’s being named the Cleveland Browns’ starting quarterback.

 

Coach Hue Jackson, who had promised to reveal his top quarterback before the team’s first preseason game, on Friday against Green Bay, decided to make it official on Monday.

 

“It’s time,” Jackson said. “Robert has earned the right to be named the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. He fully understands the responsibility, and I feel he is ready to handle this role.”

 

Griffin beat out 37-year-old Josh McCown for the starting job, leaving McCown’s future with the Browns in doubt.

 

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Griffin got the starting QB spot, but he had that last year at this time as well.

We know how that ended up. :)

I hope Jackson didn't set this in stone.

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 Hue Jackson as the new head coach has a lot on his plate.   He had to make this move.  RGIII is still a name and at this point the benefit of doubt given him as a result of change of scenery is in play.   He'll get people watching, which is kind of one of the goals of the league and its partners.   Not much else to say  about a rebuilding org.   

 Coach Jackson may actually get something done in Cleveland.   I didn't make a study of his one year stint as head coach of the Raiders but I did see a couple-few games and my eye-test impression was that his team had some more competitive fight and fire than comparable Raiders teams of that immediate era.

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Yeah, starting Griffin was more or less a no-brainer, unless he just vomited all over himself in training camp or something lol...

The browns are a rebuilding, rebooting team with a young roster and a new head coach. If McCown reaches his ceiling this season they might go 7-9, but he's toast after this year due to his age. If Griffin reaches his ceiling this year they might go 9-7 but will have in him a much younger QB they can continue to develop next season and extend the season after that if they are wanting to. This season is as much an assessment as it is anything else...try and see if Griffin can be salvaged, try and see which of their 142 WRs can catch lol...try and see if their arrow can be said to be pointing up at the end of the season instead of swirling around in a circle.

And as said above, even if they're still losing Griffin alone will make the Browns relevant, at least for awhile. Nobody anywhere is gonna give two ****s about the Browns losing week after week with McCown behind center.

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At the very least, you can expect some sort of offense with RGIII chucking it up to Corey Coleman and trying to get a track meet started- that's about all of the hope I have for the offense for the Browns, though if RGIII is humbled from what happened with us, I wish him nothing but the best.  This is a team that is clearly rebuilding, and if RGIII works out for them, then they have a QB moving forward.  If not, it isn't like it was all of the sudden a lost season for them. 

As for Jackson, I hope Haslam stays out of things and lets the football guys do their thing.  I think Jackson can be a successful coach, I just don't know why he picked the Browns where he gets to deal with another crazy owner.

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Robert started hot, then ended the drive with an INT across the middle on the 1 yard line. Hard to tell who's fault though, it looked like the TE cut off his route when he should have cut hard into middle of field, and he also never looked back for the ball, but there may have been way too much traffic to even attemp that throw.  His first throw to Pryor might have actually gone for a TD if Pryor didn't fall down to make the catch.

 

That said, RG3 mostly looked like the QB we remember,  pretty efficient when the 1st read is open and it's  quick pass, but it all changes when he has to sit back in the pocket and scan the field.

 

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4 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

Robert started hot, then ended the drive with an INT across the middle on the 1 yard line. Hard to tell who's fault though, it looked like the TE cut off his route when he should have cut hard into middle of field, and he also never looked back for the ball, but there may have been way too much traffic to even attemp that throw.  His first throw to Pryor might have actually gone for a TD if Pryor didn't fall down to make the catch.

 

That said, RG3 mostly looked like the QB we remember,  pretty efficient when the 1st read is open and it's  quick pass, but it all changes when he has to sit back in the pocket and scan the field.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06LE_4UEUts

Definitely looked like the TE cut it off. Weird, he planted to make the cut and look like he stumbled a bit.

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5 hours ago, NoCalMike said:

That said, RG3 mostly looked like the QB we remember,  pretty efficient when the 1st read is open and it's  quick pass, but it all changes when he has to sit back in the pocket and scan the field.

 

Just now catching the replay. Nice opening shot downfield but he's getting the **** knocked out of himself as he releases. 

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30 minutes ago, TK said:

Just now catching the replay. Nice opening shot downfield but he's getting the **** knocked out of himself as he releases. 

 

Yup, that's what I saw as well. He inexplicably gets hit on almost every single pass, and each hit looks devastating. I hope he doesn't hurt himself again. :/

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10 minutes ago, thesubmittedone said:

 

Yup, that's what I saw as well. He inexplicably gets hit on almost every single pass, and each hit looks devastating. I hope he doesn't hurt himself again. :/

Over/Under= 4 games.

 

I'll take the under.

He's going to be playing behind Joe Thomas and 2-4 turnstyles, and thats before RG3 makes them looks 15x worse.

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It still seems curious why the Browns would hand him the starting job.  They dont watch the film?  Hasnt played in a year, the last game film wasnt impressive.  The tape alone should warrant a competition through a few preseason games, even if he's the frontrunner going in.

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15 minutes ago, justice98 said:

It still seems curious why the Browns would hand him the starting job.  They dont watch the film?  Hasnt played in a year, the last game film wasnt impressive.  The tape alone should warrant a competition through a few preseason games, even if he's the frontrunner going in.

The competition is content. McCown supposedly told Hue to start Robert.

Its unfortunate. I don't think Rob can change his game from the starter position. Coaches just try to change the offense to meet his shortcomings. Doomed, but I'm rooting for him

 

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24 minutes ago, justice98 said:

It still seems curious why the Browns would hand him the starting job.  They dont watch the film?  Hasnt played in a year, the last game film wasnt impressive.  The tape alone should warrant a competition through a few preseason games, even if he's the frontrunner going in.

What do the Browns have to lose?

You are certain what you are going to get with McCown.  Atleast with Griffin, you have a former #2 overall pick ROY to align with the QB whisperer in Jackson.  If anyone's going to revive his career  it's him.  If not, they have a high pick to find a guy in 2017.  

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3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

What do the Browns have to lose?

You are certain what you are going to get with McCown.  Atleast with Griffin, you have a former #2 overall pick ROY to align with the QB whisperer in Jackson.  If anyone's going to revive his career  it's him.  If not, they have a high pick to find a guy in 2017.  

 

Football games?  The object of the exercise is still to win, is it not?  Even if expectations are low. 

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.  If he proves to be the best choice, so be it.  I just don't think it serves Griffin or the Browns if he doesn't play his way into the starting job and earn it. 

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Per TMZ...

 

RG3 eating bowl of cereal this morning and banged knee on table. Seen grasping and MRI pending, stay tuned.

 

 

 

 

J/K, but seriously, how in the world does he seem to take a career ender every game. Now I can say it without holding my breath, this kid is just not built for NFL

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I taped the game (repeat) on NFL net, but I'd of liked to see that 1st hit? I don't think they showed a replay of the actual hit, but it looked like the usual RGIII scraping himself off the turf afterwards.. Poor dude gets lit up just about every play.. It was rather amusing watching a different team shoot themselves in the foot though.. Run into the punter to extend one drive, then fumble the kick/punt after a safety on the next.. Oof.. lol

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8 hours ago, GoDeep81 said:

I taped the game (repeat) on NFL net, but I'd of liked to see that 1st hit? I don't think they showed a replay of the actual hit, but it looked like the usual RGIII scraping himself off the turf afterwards.. Poor dude gets lit up just about every play.. It was rather amusing watching a different team shoot themselves in the foot though.. Run into the punter to extend one drive, then fumble the kick/punt after a safety on the next.. Oof.. lol

He gets hit like that because he doesn't sense the pressure (actually moves to it) and doesn't let go of the ball till the last second (holds it too long).

So he gets nailed.

I saw the same Griffin that we got frustrated with here. So much athletic ability, but just doesn't do well in the pocket.

I think he finished 4-8 for about 60+ yards and an INT.

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