MassSkinsFan Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000642579/article/johnny-manziel-waived-by-cleveland-browns Johnny Manziel, a freewheeling quarterback once thought to be the savior of Browns football in Cleveland, but who ended up succumbing to a litany of off-the-field problems that doomed his short tenure in the AFC North, was officially released on Friday, the Browns announced. Almost two years ago, the Browns selected Manziel with the No. 22 overall pick in the 2014 draft, ahead of Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr. Both have since been named to the Pro Bowl. More at Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Way to go Haslam. Thanks for surpassing Snyder as the NFL's dumbest owner. Most obvious bad 1st round waste of a pick since Teblows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 I actually thought Weeden was a worse pick but he's definitely up there. Anyway, I really hope he gets the help he clearly needs. His NFL career being over might be the best thing that can happen to him at this point. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 It's sad, because I think he could have been a really good QB in the league if he had his head straight. It's always sad when people with potential crap it all away due to immaturity, stupidity, or, as in this case, a combination of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Seriously, the bright side at the moment is that he's not dead. That's how bad it's gotten. I hope he works out his issues. Not because I think he could play, but just because you hate to see anybody be that self destructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 He likes partying more than football. He may get one more chance, but after that he'll be done in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 His statement was hilarious. Here's a translation I came up with: "I'd like to thank the Browns for the opportunity they gave me (that I continued to **** away). We all hoped that we were building what could be a championship team for Cleveland, although in the meantime I was too busy partying". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Who ever could have seen him busting when he was taken in the first round? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Who ever could have seen him busting when he was taken in the first round? I'll take "who is everyone" for 2000, Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Everybody knew it was going to be a mistake when they made the pick. Haslam then fires his GM and coach who obviously never wanted Manziel in the first place. From day one Pettine sounded like Gruden being questioned about RG3 after the Tampa game. Every single interview. Haslam didn't replace Snyder. He actually one upped him on the Snyderatto Meter of Ineptitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I'll take "who is everyone" for 2000, Alex. And you'd be wrong. Because there were 2 doofuses, Jerrah and whichever idiot in Cleveland who drafted him, who thought otherwise. I really am bummed that one of Jerrah's kids talked him out of drafting Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-willing-to-give-up-third-round-pick-for-kaepernick/ar-AAgIBB3?li=BBnb4R7 Browns willing to give up 3rd round pick for Colin Kaepernick, but trade hinges on contract redo, sources say CLEVELAND, Ohio --- The Browns are willing to give up their third-round pick for 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, but the trade is contingent on restructuring Kaepernick's $19 million a year contract, sources told cleveland.com The 49ers want a second-round pick, but might be willing to take the Browns' third considering it's the second pick in that round, No. 65 overall. Kaepernick wants out, and the Broncos, who were the front-runners in the sweepstakes on Thursday, are also reluctant to part with a high pick. Besides, they traded for Mark Sanchez on Friday and are prepared to start him in 2016. They're no longer as desperate as they seemed. The Broncos' second-round pick is No. 63 overall, just two notches ahead of the Browns' third-rounder. Their third-rounder is No. 94 overall, and that might not cut it for the 49ers. more at link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I think that a change of scenery would do wonders for Kap. That and the ability to read a defense and get rid of the ball quickly. But I like Hugh. Maybe he can work miracles. The biggest insult to Griffin would be if somehow Johnny got a job before him. Wow, that would really sting. I don't see it happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsGuy Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-willing-to-give-up-third-round-pick-for-kaepernick/ar-AAgIBB3?li=BBnb4R7 Browns willing to give up 3rd round pick for Colin Kaepernick, but trade hinges on contract redo, sources say more at link I'm so glad that the Redskins' days of negotiating deals in the media like this are seemingly over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Apparently Krappernick doesn't want to go to Cleveland anymore because they dumped everybody with any talent already. Then again, maybe that's why they are going for Krappernick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mursilis Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I've got some friends from there who are Browns fans, and I just feel so bad for them. The Browns are just a disaster, and I don't see that changing anytime real soon. Plus, they play in one of the tougher divisions in the NFL. I don't know why anyone goes to those games, unless it's to root for the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yeah man IMO the Browns should just admit the real meaning of the team name and put a Mr. Hankie emblem on their helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Man Haslam screw up when he bought that team. Holmgren had that team set up for success. They had some really good young talent and multiple first round draft picks for a couple of years in a row. Haslam buys the team, they waste the draft picks on busts. The thing is Holmgren, while not a genius, did a great job setting them up. The only piece missing was a quarterback. The four first round picks that were eventually wasted could have been used on someone Mike liked like a David Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Not sure how drafting Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden is setting them up for success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Not sure how drafting Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden is setting them up for success. Thank you. Holmgren was HORRIBLE as a GM. He was stripped of that roll in Seattle as well. I can't even fathom how someone can consider what he did while in Cleveland a success or even moving that team towards success. Here are his drafts with the Browns below. Please explain how this is setting them up for success. 2010 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Haden, Joe CB Florida Pick 7 2 Ward, T.J. FS Oregon Pick 6 (38) 2 Hardesty, Montario RB Tennessee Pick 27 (59) (From Cowboys through Eagles) 3 McCoy, Colt QB Texas Pick 21 (85) (From Patriots through Raiders) 3 Lauvao, Shawn OL Arizona State Pick 28 (92) (From Jets) 5 Asante, Larry SS Nebraska Pick 29 (160) (From Jets) 6 Mitchell, Carlton WR South Florida Pick 8 (177) 6 Geathers, Clifton DE South Carolina Pick 17 (186) (From Panthers) 2011 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Taylor, Phil DT Baylor Pick 21 (From Kansas City) 2 Sheard, Jabaal DE Pittsburgh Pick 37 2 Little, Greg WR North Carolina Pick 59 (From Cowboys Atlanta) 4 Cameron, Jordan TE USC Pick 102 4 Marecic, Owen FB Stanford Pick 124 (From Atlanta) 5 Skrine, Buster DB Chatanooga Pick 137 5 Pinkston, Jason OT Pittsburgh Pick 150 (From NY Giants via Minnesota) 7 Hagg, Eric DB Nebraska Pick 248 2012 ROUND PLAYER POSITION UNIVERSITY NOTES 1 Richardson, Trent RB Alabama Pick 3 (From Minnesota) 1 Weeden, Brandon QB Oklahoma Pick 22 (From Atlanta) 2 Swartz, Mitchell OT California Pick 37 3 Hughes, John DT Cincinnati Pick 87 (From Denver) 4 Benjamin, Travis WR Miami Pick 100 4 Johnson, James-Michael LB Nevada Pick 120 (From Denver) 5 Miller, Ryan OG Colorado Pick 160 (From Denver) 6 Acho, Emmanuel LB Texas Pick 17 204 6 Winn, Billy DT Boise St. Pick 205 7 Wade, Trevin DB Arizona Pick 245 7 Smelley, Brad FB Alabama Pick 247 Edited March 20, 2016 by Taylor 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I'm figuring the OP won't mind me modifying the thread and title, all things considered. I didn't want to start a new thread for this, nor did I just want to dump ii in one of the 3 rg3 threads in this forum because to me the team itself is still the main theme here---it's a team that like Detroit and SD, has often had so many great pieces accumulated in many seasons over the last decade or so yet still comes up short. But the qb position as a whole is also very interesting, just as in philly. http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/5/28/11805636/football-outsiders-founder-says-browns-have-one-of-the-worst-qb-depth Football Outsiders founder says Browns have one of the worst QB depth charts in the past decade Football Outsiders Founder Aaron Schatzdecided to rank the NFL's 10 worst quarterback depth charts of the past 10 years. Cleveland has had some pretty bad depth charts over the past decade. Fortunately, there were other teams at the top of the list, but the Browns did just sneak on at No. 10 with their 2016 group of quarterbacks. <edit> Josh McCown will start if Griffin doesn't. McCown, of course, had that amazing half-season for the 2013 Bears, but based on DVOA ratings, that was the only year in his career he was ever above average. He had the worst DVOA in the league in 2014, and his QBR that year ranked ahead of only rookie Blake Bortles. Last year, McCown was a bit better (23rd in DVOA and 22nd in QBR), but he's going to be 37 this year, making him the third-oldest QB in the league behindTom Brady and Drew Brees. Third on the depth chart is Cody Kessler, a third-round rookie from USC with a dismal minus-201 QBASE. (The average QBASE for prospects since 1998 is 437, and the only quarterback with negative QBASE to eventually make a Pro Bowl was Brian Griese.) 2014 UDFA Connor Shaw is also around for training camp. To gain some perspective, the worst quarterback depth chart went to the 2011Washington Redskins for their combination of Rex Grossman, John Beck, andJonathan Crompton. The only other team to make the list from 2016 are the New York Jets (Geno Smith, Christian Hackenberg, and Bryce Petty), but that situation would get much better if Ryan Fitzpatrick decides to sign on the dotted line. Schatz also listed other teams he considered but did not crack the Top 10. Two of those "honorable mentions" were the Browns -- in 2010 (Jake Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, andColt McCoy) and in 2013 (Brandon Weeden, Jason Campbell, and Brian Hoyer). more at link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornaSkinsFan83 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Clicked on this thread expecting news that Manziel was dead/missing/on the run. Anyway, for a long time I've had two side teams that I follow outside the Skins during a season. I don't root for them. Really just use them to kill the rest of my Sundays. When I started this I picked the two most miserable franchises I could think of: Detroit and Cincinnati at that time. Thought it would be fun to watch them attempt to grow up (and also make me feel better about the Skins). It's long overdue but congrats Cincy, you've been promoted. And sorry Cleveland, you're now my official cluster**** squad. It's gonna be fun. (And Detroit, you're not good enough to get promoted and not ****ty enough to be entertaining. With Megatron gone, you're just boring. Don't let the door hit you in the ass.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooleyfan1993 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Haha Manziel is such a clown. What an idiot. At this point I don't even feel sorry for the piece of ****. He was supposed to host a family party in the hamptons this weekend, but didn't show up for his helicopter ride, and isn't answering his phone. GROW THE **** UP!!! Get the help you need, and stop being an immature dumb ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Didn't he come from money? Sounds like a bad case of affluenza. Edited May 30, 2016 by TheGreatBuzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Before looking at the posting date, I read the thread title and thought "What...again?!" lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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