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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/02/obama-plan-shut-guantanamo-set-congress-160223045549518.html

Obama's plan to shut Guantanamo set for Congress

 

The Pentagon is expected to submit a plan to the United States Congress to close the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay, setting up a battle with politicians who oppose President Barack Obama's efforts to shutter the facility.

 

Obama, whose pledge to shut the prison on a naval base in Cuba dates back to the start of his presidency, is seeking to make good on his promise before he leaves office next January.

 

Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis said the administration intended to meet Tuesday's deadline to present a detailed proposal for closing the facility. There are still 91 prisoners detained there.

 

"We understand the deadline is tomorrow and it's our intent to meet it," Davis said on Monday.

US officials have said the plan will include sending 35 detainees, who are cleared for transfer, either to their home countries or to third countries.

The remaining prisoners would be brought back to US soil and held in maximum-security prisons. Congress has banned such transfers to the United States since 2011.

 

Another option that will be cited in the government's blueprint will be the possibility of sending some prisoners overseas for prosecution and trial, one US official said, according to the Reuters news agency.

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He was going to do that as his first official act in office..

 

 

President Barack Obama's 2008 promise to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay had another setback on Nov. 25 when he signed a law that makes it tougher to achieve his goal.

The [/size]National Defense Authorization Act prohibits the use of funds to close Gitmo. It also bans using funds to transfer or release detainees to the United States or to construct or modify facilities in the United States to house detainees from Gitmo. The administration had been crafting a plan to move at least some of the remaining captives to military prisons in the United States, potentially to Colorado, Kansas or South Carolina.[/size]

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/177/close-the-guantanamo-bay-detention-center/

President Obama could have and should have closed this base back in 2008 via an executive Order. After all George W. opened it via an executive order. The entire idea that the US government is not subject to US laws, as long as they keep it from US shores is abhorrent.

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Really feels like an election year stunt, which would technically achieve a promise, if congress would pass it, which we all know they won't.

Obama's got no more elections to win. It's not an election year for him.. I'm thinking he genuinely wants to close Gitmo, doesn't want to leave it to the next guy or gal.. but doesn't want to pull the trigger without congressional support. Always the consensus builder.

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Really feels like an election year stunt, which would technically achieve a promise, if congress would pass it, which we all know they won't.

It's not even the slightest bit transparent about it's intent.  

 

Obama's got no more elections to win. It's not an election year for him.. I'm thinking he genuinely wants to close Gitmo, doesn't want to leave it to the next guy or gal.. but doesn't want to pull the trigger without congressional support. Always the consensus builder.

The fact that he is lame duck makes this all the more ridiculous.  If he really wanted to close the place he had 8 years to do it.  He is essentially starting a mess that will be left for the next guy.

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It's not even the slightest bit transparent about it's intent.

The fact that he is lame duck makes this all the more ridiculous. If he really wanted to close the place he had 8 years to do it. He is essentially starting a mess that will be left for the next guy.

I don't think it's an election year stunt. The issues hasn't proven to be politically expedient for Democrats in the past.

I think he also knows he doesn't have any chance of getting it closed before he leaves office, any more than he did the past 7 years. Maybe he wants to put this back on the table so it's at least a topic of discussion during the lead up to the election, more as a reminder to the American public than anything else. That would give it at least a slightly better chance of being accomplished by a future president.

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Really feels like an election year stunt, which would technically achieve a promise, if congress would pass it, which we all know they won't.

 

Yeah, though maybe it's just a 'legacy' stunt.

 

He knows part of his legacy is that the republicans will not allow him to do anything. He can add this to that list. Instead of firmly doing it with an executive order, or having done this long ago, he's going to throw it out at the end of his term so he can say 'at least I tried.'

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Yeah, though maybe it's just a 'legacy' stunt.

He knows part of his legacy is that the republicans will not allow him to do anything. He can add this to that list. Instead of firmly doing it with an executive order, or having done this long ago, he's going to throw it out at the end of his term so he can say 'at least I tried.'

Actually think this is potentially more accurate than my previous post. Maybe a combo of both.

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The fact that he is lame duck makes this all the more ridiculous.  If he really wanted to close the place he had 8 years to do it.  He is essentially starting a mess that will be left for the next guy.

Now, there's lots of bad things you can say, about Obama, here. (I've said some of them.)

But "starting a mess" isn't one of them.


Instead of firmly doing it with an executive order, or having done this long ago, he's going to throw it out at the end of his term so he can say 'at least I tried.'

He doesn't have the option of "firmly doing it with an executive order". (And, frankly, never had. Yeah, it took Congress a little while to outright forbid it. But not that long.)

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I remember Bush and Clinton doing this too. In the waning days of their Presidency they tried to rush out a whole bunch of measures that they believed in, but were thought to be too politically damaging. Obama is done politically and has nothing to lose. He can now put forth any idea he wants without it hurting his future prospects.

 

Now, it might hurt his party, but he's in the clear. I think all Presidents do this as they hear the bell tolling. It doesn't mean that it the proposal is insincere or even cynical, but it is a little cowardly to wait this long.

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Obama has tried to close Gitmo, repeatedly and from the start.

The problem is the courts have ordered he has to do something with them that protects their rights. He can't just dump them on some country that is likely to violate their rights based on the US Constitution.

Despite what we did to them, he can't send them to a country that is likely to torture them. He can't just dump them into the middle of a rain forest some where.

So he needs some country to agree to take them where the courts will approve that transfer, and countries that have good records on human rights aren't lining up to take them.

Then Congress has passed laws (as part of appropriation bills)

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/61549-congress-uses-spending-bills-to-halt-gitmo-closing

To further tie his hands and what places he can transfer them. The net effect is that other than same crazy ideas, he can't close Gitmo.

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President Obama could have and should have closed this base back in 2008 via an executive Order. After all George W. opened it via an executive order.

 

The entire idea that the US government is not subject to US laws, as long as they keep it from US shores is abhorrent.

 

 

The first two lines of this are not accurate, as PeterMP has explained.

 

The last line is completely accurate, and it's sad how few Americans seem to care about it.

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The last line is completely accurate, and it's sad how few Americans seem to care about it.

 

So drone strikes or use of military should be under the same restrictions/law as in the US?.....CIA activity?

 

where do you draw the line

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