All Things Star Wars Thread

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 minute ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

I have no interest in a Vader movie which is why I’m sure it will happen because he’s popular and they have to squeeze every drop of life and enjoyment from this universe that they can. 

I think there's no chance a Vader doesn't happen, because it will do $1 Billion on opening weekend.  (Ok, that's an exaggeration, but probably not by a whole lot.)

 

The question about a Vader-centric movie I would have is that they really get so much juice out of Vader in so little screen time, if you made him a main character in a movie, do you lose that? 

 

Phantom Menace - in the suit, like 30 seconds.  

A New Hope - 8:06

Empire - 11:51

RotJ - 13:44

Rogue One - 3:00

 

Obi-Wan show - I didn't time it and I haven't found anybody who has published it yet, but I'm going with less than 10 minutes total, probably less than 8. 

 

It's amazing, you could argue the biggest villain in the original trilogy appeared for a grand total of 34 minutes of 6 hours and 28 minutes.  That's an awful lot of time for the villain to not be on screen.  But Lucas (and company) got an enormous amount of play out of those 34 minutes.

 

The longest Vader has ever been in a movie has been RotJ, at 13:44.  Could you get the same Vader effect if you made him the central character of a movie?  I'm not sure.

 

The one idea I had which I think COULD work would be to use the timeline leading up to and including Rogue One, with possibly some crossover scenes, except told from Vader's perspective.  And the closing shot could be Vader entering Leia's ship from A New Hope.  You could also re-do some of the stuff from Rebels, again, where he sees Asoka again, but it would be from his perspective.    That way, you're not really inventing or changing cannon.  But expanding on already existing stories, and telling them from a "a different point of view."

 

I'm sure that movie would never get made, but it would be interesting, at least to me.  I mean, it would basically be an excuse for a visual spectacle, which I would be down for, without destroying any of the existing cannon.  

[88Comrade2000]

36 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I know that’s a joke.

 

I think at some point we’re going to get a Vader movie. Why? Because it will do $1 Billion on opening weekend globally.  (Ok that’s an exaggeration, but maybe not by too much.). Disney is just holding this ace in the hole for whenever it needs it.  
 

I kindof see this series as a test balloon for that movie.  
 

What would truly be interesting would be to have a Vader movie leading up to and including the timeline of Rogue One, but told from his perspective.  And the last shot of the movie was the opening shot of A New Hope with him entering Leia’s ship.

 

Really, folks would just want to see him doing bad ass things.  Even though they would be supremely evil.  
 

The only question would be, he’s ALWAYS been used somewhat sparingly.  As a huge point of emphasis, when he shows up you know **** is going to go down.  
 

If you had a full movie with him as the main character, so you lose some of the shock value? I dunno.  

I bet Disney reboots the entire franchise. 
 

JEJ won’t be around forever; so will need a new voice eventually.

[Voice_of_Reason]

2 hours ago, Yohan said:

Oh I agree, that is why I said I didn't feel this show was necessary. The only thing that makes sense is now Ewan Mcgregor is now  roughly the same age as Alec Guinness would be at this point in the time line.

I also don't think the show is "necessary."  But what in life is truly necessary?  

 

I have been looking forward to it because I thought it would be really cool, I wanted to see the expanded universe a bit more in live action which I think was covered in the animated series Clone Wars and Rebels, and Ewan McGregor was one of the best parts of the prequels.

 

Necessary?  Nah.  So far, a pretty damn good ride?  I'd say yah.  

 

But they need to be careful.  They are leading up to A New Hope.  Which is the foundation of the entire cannon.  They can't, and I mean CAN'T, change the cannon to make A New Hope less relevant.  So far, there are 2 nits to pick in that regard.  I think they will resolve both of them in some way. (I will put those below in a hidden block.)

 

As an aside, at what point do we just assume everybody who is in this thread has seen the three episodes and we can stop worrying about spoilers? 

 

Spoiler

1. The line Vader says where "last time we met, I was but the learner."  This is MAYBE Vader's most famous line in all of his 40 minutes of screen time.  I can't think of another line which is more powerful.  "Leave them to me" but that's less of the line and more of the delivery.  If they make this line less meaningful somehow, that's a crying shame.

 

2. Ben and Leia's relationship.  It certainly seems like Leia barely knows Ben/Obi-Wan in A New Hope.  I don't believe they shared a scene together.  However, her pretty formal message to Obi-Wan at the beginning, and her almost non-reaction to his death (which if I'm not mistaken, she witnessed), would lead you to believe she didn't really know Obi-Wan.  Well, now that's changed.  If this is the only bit of retcon that isn't really explained, I can live with it.  It's not THAT big a deal.

 

If they screw up the first one, that will actively piss me off, to be honest.  

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

6 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

I bet Disney reboots the entire franchise. 
 

JEJ won’t be around forever; so will need a new voice eventually.

Yeah, there's no way they reboot the entire franchise.  

 

And they will recreate JEJ's voice electronically.  They already did that with Mark Hammill's voice in The Mandalorian.  If you watch the "making of" (whatever they called it), the show runners said Mark Hammill never actually recorded the lines, they put his entire voice together electronically.  

 

And even in Obi-Wan, they modified JEJ's voice to make him sound like he did in the OT.  JEJ's voice is still iconic, but he's 40 years older now, so it's different: (Below from ScreeRant)

 

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Darth Vader's armor, powers, and red lightsaber made him a force to be reckoned with, but to audiences, his voice and deep breaths made him a nightmarish villain. It's why no one's been able to replace James Earl Joens as the voice of Darth Vader for 45 years. He's even returned to voice the character in animated projects like Star Wars Rebels. So it's understandable that Lucasfilm would bring him back for Obi-Wan Kenobi, despite the fact that Hayden Christensen plays Vader himself. But there's one caveat here.

 

According to the credits for Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 3, the company Respeecher provided "voice conversation services." While it's not explicitly stated which character they worked on, it's undoubtedly James Earl Jones' voice for Darth Vader; there's no other character from episode 3 that they'd need to work on. What Respeecher does is augment new dialogue, or use existing dialogue from previous releases, to create a specific voice. This was used in The Book of Boba Fett to create a younger Mark Hamill voice for Luke Skywalker.

 

This is why Darth Vader sounds more like he did in the original trilogy because it's not James Earl Jones' current voice as it sounds in 2022. Notably, Rogue One didn't use the Respeecher technology and had James Earl Jones record new lines for Darth Vader's appearance in that film. It's unknown at the moment if he recorded the dialogue for the series and that dialogue was processed through Respeecher, which is most likely the case since James Earl Jones is outright credited for his performance as Darth Vader in Obi-Wan Kenobi episode 3.

 

[No Nonsense]

8 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I also don't think the show is "necessary."  But what in life is truly necessary?  

 

I have been looking forward to it because I thought it would be really cool, I wanted to see the expanded universe a bit more in live action which I think was covered in the animated series Clone Wars and Rebels, and Ewan McGregor was one of the best parts of the prequels.

 

Necessary?  Nah.  So far, a pretty damn good ride?  I'd say yah.  

 

But they need to be careful.  They are leading up to A New Hope.  Which is the foundation of the entire cannon.  They can't, and I mean CAN'T, change the cannon to make A New Hope less relevant.  So far, there are 2 nits to pick in that regard.  I think they will resolve both of them in some way. (I will put those below in a hidden block.)

 

As an aside, at what point do we just assume everybody who is in this thread has seen the three episodes and we can stop worrying about spoilers? 

 

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1. The line Vader says where "last time we met, I was but the learner."  This is MAYBE Vader's most famous line in all of his 40 minutes of screen time.  I can't think of another line which is more powerful.  "Leave them to me" but that's less of the line and more of the delivery.  If they make this line less meaningful somehow, that's a crying shame.

 

2. Ben and Leia's relationship.  It certainly seems like Leia barely knows Ben/Obi-Wan in A New Hope.  I don't believe they shared a scene together.  However, her pretty formal message to Obi-Wan at the beginning, and her almost non-reaction to his death (which if I'm not mistaken, she witnessed), would lead you to believe she didn't really know Obi-Wan.  Well, now that's changed.  If this is the only bit of retcon that isn't really explained, I can live with it.  It's not THAT big a deal.

 

If they screw up the first one, that will actively piss me off, to be honest.  

 

Have you forgotten, “No, I’m your father.” 

[Yohan]

2 minutes ago, No Nonsense said:

Have you forgotten, “No, I’m your father.” 

That's what I would have gone with. To each their own.

 

Also, Vader's voice in Kenobi is being done with voice cloning software Respeecher, which is why the voice sound more like the voice from OT.

[Voice_of_Reason]

5 minutes ago, No Nonsense said:

Have you forgotten, “No, I’m your father.” 

Yeah, I did.  

 

 

I take it back.  "No, I am your father" is the iconic line.

 

The line in A New Hope might be second though. 

 

Another great delivered line "I find you lack of faith disturbing."  But that's not really something which advanced the story...

[The Evil Genius]

If anything, I'd hope we get a KOTOR era show. 

[88Comrade2000]

Supposedly Disney is considering a Season 2.

[Momma There Goes That Man]

52 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I also don't think the show is "necessary."  But what in life is truly necessary?  

 

I have been looking forward to it because I thought it would be really cool, I wanted to see the expanded universe a bit more in live action which I think was covered in the animated series Clone Wars and Rebels, and Ewan McGregor was one of the best parts of the prequels.

 

Necessary?  Nah.  So far, a pretty damn good ride?  I'd say yah.  

 

But they need to be careful.  They are leading up to A New Hope.  Which is the foundation of the entire cannon.  They can't, and I mean CAN'T, change the cannon to make A New Hope less relevant.  So far, there are 2 nits to pick in that regard.  I think they will resolve both of them in some way. (I will put those below in a hidden block.)

 

As an aside, at what point do we just assume everybody who is in this thread has seen the three episodes and we can stop worrying about spoilers? 

 

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1. The line Vader says where "last time we met, I was but the learner."  This is MAYBE Vader's most famous line in all of his 40 minutes of screen time.  I can't think of another line which is more powerful.  "Leave them to me" but that's less of the line and more of the delivery.  If they make this line less meaningful somehow, that's a crying shame.

 

2. Ben and Leia's relationship.  It certainly seems like Leia barely knows Ben/Obi-Wan in A New Hope.  I don't believe they shared a scene together.  However, her pretty formal message to Obi-Wan at the beginning, and her almost non-reaction to his death (which if I'm not mistaken, she witnessed), would lead you to believe she didn't really know Obi-Wan.  Well, now that's changed.  If this is the only bit of retcon that isn't really explained, I can live with it.  It's not THAT big a deal.

 

If they screw up the first one, that will actively piss me off, to be honest.  

 

i think a lot of storytelling is necessary within the context of its story. When I say this is unnecessary it’s because I don’t think it adds anything to the story. It’s fun to watch. That’s all. But it weakens the story. 
 

And I don’t really see how they can fix the Vader line in ANH. I took a stab at it on the last page. It just makes no sense unless Obi wan yet again gets the upper hand in battle and beats lord Vader? That doesn’t do anything but make Vader look weak and Obi Wan look even more like a bumbling old man in ANH. He already looks like that let’s be honest following the prequels which is why the best idea was just to leave it alone and imagine what happened and why he aged so much in the 20 years after RotS. It was never wise to stick handsome ass Ewan anywhere close to ANH but here we are 

[No Nonsense]

11 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

And I don’t really see how they can fix the Vader line in ANH. I took a stab at it on the last page. It just makes no sense unless Obi wan yet again gets the upper hand in battle and beats lord Vader? That doesn’t do anything but make Vader look weak

That’s exactly where I stand on that. Despite the “I was the learner” line in ANH, at this stage with Vader near the height of his powers, they cannot let him get his ass handed to him by, let’s be honest, an inferior Obi-Wan. 

[Recovering_Spaz]

1 hour ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

I have no interest in a Vader movie which is why I’m sure it will happen because he’s popular and they have to squeeze every drop of life and enjoyment from this universe that they can. 

 

Some of the recent Star Wars comics have provided material for a Vader movie, such as his search for the force sensitive pilot that destroyed the Death Star.

 

The ending of that story (below) would be a good starting point for a new movie that details Vader's plot to depose the Emperor. 

 

https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

6 minutes ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

Some of the recent Star Wars comics have provided material for a Vader movie, such as his search for the force sensitive pilot that destroyed the Death Star.

 

The ending of that story (below) would be a good starting point for a new movie that details Vader's plot to depose the Emperor. 

 

https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/

 

do we need a movie for this? I kinda just like that this is what he’s doing at the beginning of Empire. Does anyone really want to see Vader doing this? 
 

that’s what I mean about sucking every bit of life they can from this universe. They found a 6 month period between movies where Vader isn’t on screen. We better find out what he was doing then and that just creates fantastical storytelling so it’ll be action packed and exciting that does nothing but hurt the established story 

[Riggo#44]

6 minutes ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

Some of the recent Star Wars comics have provided material for a Vader movie, such as his search for the force sensitive pilot that destroyed the Death Star.

 

The ending of that story (below) would be a good starting point for a new movie that details Vader's plot to depose the Emperor. 

 

https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/

 

Kind of in the same vein, I would love a Purge series--make it dark as ****. Vader and the inquisitors hunting down Jedi--have like an original NWO-like mysterious subplot and suspense of who will turn/who won't. Would be bad ass.

[Recovering_Spaz]

2 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

do we need a movie for this? I kinda just like that this is what he’s doing at the beginning of Empire. Does anyone really want to see Vader doing this? 
 

that’s what I mean about sucking every bit of life they can from this universe. They found a 6 month period between movies where Vader isn’t on screen. We better find out what he was doing then and that just creates fantastical storytelling so it’ll be action packed and exciting that does nothing but hurt the established story 

 

I feel your pain with regard to Disney squeezing every penny out of old stories, but I do think there's room to explore Vader's machinations against the Emperor, so long as it's interesting and doesn't break canon.

 

I'd prefer Old Republic stories, or something one thousand years in the future after the adventures of Mary Sue Palpatine and Emo Vader.  

[Riggo#44]

4 minutes ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

I feel your pain with regard to Disney squeezing every penny out of old stories, but I do think there's room to explore Vader's machinations against the Emperor, so long as it's interesting and doesn't break canon.

 

I'd prefer Old Republic stories, or something one thousand years in the future after the adventures of Mary Sue Palpatine and Emo Vader.  

I am very interested to see what the next three series brings: The Acolyte, Ahsoka, and Andor has in store.

[No Nonsense]

As for a Vader story, I would like for him and the emperor to bring up Yoda. Has it ever been confirmed whether they knew if he was dead or alive?

[Wildbunny]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

I take it back.  "No, I am your father" is the iconic line.

For whatever reasons my 2 preferred Vader's lines are:

- "Excuses accepted Captain Needa."

and:

- "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."

[Voice_of_Reason]

26 minutes ago, Wildbunny said:

For whatever reasons my 2 preferred Vader's lines are:

- "Excuses accepted Captain Needa."

and:

- "The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."

Those are iconic.  
 

I think the 2 most meaningful lines in terms of plot are the “I am the master” and “no, I am your father.”

 

I also love “I am altering the deal.  Pray I do not alter it further.“

 

I mean, all the lines are iconic because of the voice.  
 

 

[Recovering_Spaz]

2 hours ago, Riggo#44 said:

I am very interested to see what the next three series brings: The Acolyte, Ahsoka, and Andor has in store.

 

I'm excited about Ahsoka and the Acolyte. Andor feels superfluous. 

[Fergasun]

I'm a Star Wars mark.  Give me it all.  Obi-Wan is killing it so far... 

[Recovering_Spaz]

25 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

Obi-Wan is killing it so far... 

 

I'm loving it, and I can't wrap my head around the Reva criticism. I don't want to say it's all racist...but damn, she's knocking out the park. I get there are some unanswered questions, but we have three episodes to go, so why all the venom unless it's race?

[Riggo#44]

2 hours ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

I'm excited about Ahsoka and the Acolyte. Andor feels superfluous. 

An espionage story based aournd the start of the rebellion? Yes please.

[FrFan]

8 hours ago, Recovering_Spaz said:

 

I'm loving it, and I can't wrap my head around the Reva criticism. I don't want to say it's all racist...but damn, she's knocking out the park. I get there are some unanswered questions, but we have three episodes to go, so why all the venom unless it's race?

 

I believe it only has to do with her acting. We will see how her character and play evolves or not in the upcoming episodes.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2022 by FrFan

[Riggo#44]

18 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Another great delivered line "I find you lack of faith disturbing."  But that's not really something which advanced the story..

“He felt surprised was wiser than...“

“He’s as clumsy as he is stupid"