All Things Star Wars Thread

[mistertim]

Watched the first two episodes last night. I thought it was very good. Seeing a more realistic and emotive Obi-Wan by McGregor without Lucas's ham-handed dialogue was a great.

 

A little slow at times, but that's often the case when first setting the plot and characters. Casting in general was really good; the girl who plays Leia was a home run choice.

 

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The Grand Inquisitor dying was laaaaaaame. Vader reveal was amazing.

 

Edited June 1, 2022 by mistertim

[The Evil Genius]

2 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

 

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The Grand Inquisitor dying was laaaaaaame. Vader reveal was amazing.

 

 

I'd be surprised is he stays that way. It makes Star Wars Rebels non-canon if he does, I think. 

Edited June 1, 2022 by The Evil Genius

[Riggo#44]

3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

 

I'd be surprised is he stays that way. It makes Star Wars Rebels non-canon if he does, I think. 

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No one ever stays dead. Darth Maul was literally cut in half and fell down a shaft. He turned into a babbling spider thing in Clone Wars.

 

His duel with Ahsoka in CW S7 was OT level fantastic BTE.

 

[Destino]

Thoughts after three episodes.  
 

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Old Ben needs to grow a pair at some point right? I’m getting a little tired of this guy moping around while people are dying around him.  Yeah I get that times are tough but everyone else seems to be making the best of a bad situation while Ben is frowning at his own shoes.  The reason I say this isn’t because I have a problem with characters being depressed, but because he’s a Jedi.  He’s supposed to be a zealot of the Stay Medium cult.  No strong emotions, because those lead to the dark side.  
 

loved seeing Vader just randomly hurting people in town.  He’s supposed to be terrifying, and when he just goes off he certainly is

 

[bearrock]

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How does Vader beat down of Obi-Wan mesh with OT?  

 

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master."

 

This was obviously a concern many fans had about Vader's appearance in the Kenobi series.  It's really hard to have a narrative arc that would stay consistent with the OT premise without Obi-Wan beating Vader again.  

 

Also, the last part when Obi-Wan is saved because of the fire dividing Vader and him, it's kind of a weak escape.  Couldn't Vader just have force grabbed and dragged Obi-Wan to him?  He's been doing just fine holding him in mid air moments before.

 

[mistertim]

12 hours ago, Destino said:

Thoughts after three episodes.  
 

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Old Ben needs to grow a pair at some point right? I’m getting a little tired of this guy moping around while people are dying around him.  Yeah I get that times are tough but everyone else seems to be making the best of a bad situation while Ben is frowning at his own shoes.  The reason I say this isn’t because I have a problem with characters being depressed, but because he’s a Jedi.  He’s supposed to be a zealot of the Stay Medium cult.  No strong emotions, because those lead to the dark side.  
 

loved seeing Vader just randomly hurting people in town.  He’s supposed to be terrifying, and when he just goes off he certainly is

 

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I get what you're saying but I think they're trying to show the psychological toll that the whole war and losing Anakin had on Obi-Wan. They lost the war and he blames himself for Anakin turning to the dark side and then (so he thought) dying. But then he finds out he's still alive and is a mass murdering Sith lord...that has to basically be like putting someone with PTSD (which I think Obi-Wan has big time) back into a war zone. I think his Jedi training just wasn't sufficient to overcome those kinds of traumas.

 

As far as Vader just randomly hurting people in town, totally agree. When we saw Vader in the OT everyone knew he was scary and super dangerous but we never really saw it. It was just an accepted fact without actually seeing him do horrible things. But here we're really seeing him at the height of his power along with why he had that reputation and just how brutal and violent he is.

 

The only thing that makes me feel a bit off about it is that when you didn't really see Vader doing horrible things it was much easier to accept him turning back to the light at the end of RoTJ. But now seeing how brutal and cold blooded he was it seems almost too easy. The guy (often senselessly) murdered who knows how many people, including women and children, during his reign. And then at the end all he has to do is say "Hey jk, totes light side again!" and the universe is just like "K!" and that's that. What about all the vile and horrible things he did? Were those all just immediately forgiven?

 

Edited June 2, 2022 by mistertim

[Wildbunny]

8 hours ago, bearrock said:

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How does Vader beat down of Obi-Wan mesh with OT?  

 

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master."

 

This was obviously a concern many fans had about Vader's appearance in the Kenobi series.  It's really hard to have a narrative arc that would stay consistent with the OT premise without Obi-Wan beating Vader again.  

 

Also, the last part when Obi-Wan is saved because of the fire dividing Vader and him, it's kind of a weak escape.  Couldn't Vader just have force grabbed and dragged Obi-Wan to him?  He's been doing just fine holding him in mid air moments before.

 

Woot let's answer a spoiler with another spoiler!!!

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Didn't really like the scene much as well. Ending is quite weird.

But it also set up for the end of the serie as obviously they'll meet again and Obi-Wan will dominate him once again.

 

Right now he's playing it scared and as destino said like he had PTSD, which is understandable. You'd expect him to have this sorted out by the end of the serie and put on a beating on Vador before disappearing again to take over Luke. Which would linked it to the OT.

 

[No Nonsense]

1 minute ago, Wildbunny said:

Woot let's answer a spoiler with another spoiler!!!

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Didn't really like the scene much as well. Ending is quite weird.

But it also set up for the end of the serie as obviously they'll meet again and Obi-Wan will dominate him once again.

 

Right now he's playing it scared and as destino said like he had PTSD, which is understandable. You'd expect him to have this sorted out by the end of the serie and put on a beating on Vador before disappearing again to take over Luke. Which would linked it to the OT.

 

They might fight to a standstill, but he’s not putting a beating on Vader. Vader’s too much of an icon for that to happen. 

[Warhead36]

That's one of the issues with these prequel type series. Just too many chances of continuity errors. That's why they need to do something in the Old Republic era. Fresh new stories.

[Voice_of_Reason]

13 hours ago, mistertim said:

 

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I get what you're saying but I think they're trying to show the psychological toll that the whole war and losing Anakin had on Obi-Wan. They lost the war and he blames himself for Anakin turning to the dark side and then (so he thought) dying. But then he finds out he's still alive and is a mass murdering Sith lord...that has to basically be like putting someone with PTSD (which I think Obi-Wan has big time) back into a war zone. I think his Jedi training just wasn't sufficient to overcome those kinds of traumas.

 

As far as Vader just randomly hurting people in town, totally agree. When we saw Vader in the OT everyone knew he was scary and super dangerous but we never really saw it. It was just an accepted fact without actually seeing him do horrible things. But here we're really seeing him at the height of his power along with why he had that reputation and just how brutal and violent he is.

 

The only thing that makes me feel a bit off about it is that when you didn't really see Vader doing horrible things it was much easier to accept him turning back to the light at the end of RoTJ. But now seeing how brutal and cold blooded he was it seems almost too easy. The guy (often senselessly) murdered who knows how many people, including women and children, during his reign. And then at the end all he has to do is say "Hey jk, totes light side again!" and the universe is just like "K!" and that's that. What about all the vile and horrible things he did? Were those all just immediately forgiven?

 

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To your last point, I read an explanation somewhere which I liked and it allowed me to rationalize this in my head.  But I’m not sure it will work for everyone.

 

But it comes back to what Obi-Wan told Luke, Vader “killed” Anakin.  He sees them as 2 different people. While Vader is alive, Anakin is suppressed.  Kindof like duel personalities.  
 

And the good man which was Anakin was buried. But he was able to break free and “kill” Vader at the end and also (kindof) kill the emperor. 
 

Do in this little head cannon, it really wasn’t Anakin who was doing this stuff, it was Vader.  
 

It’s the only way I can rationalize Anakin ever being redeemed in any way.  Because otherwise it makes no sense. 

 

5 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

That's one of the issues with these prequel type series. Just too many chances of continuity errors. That's why they need to do something in the Old Republic era. Fresh new stories.

Yeah, though honestly, I’m ok with a little retcon between friends as long as it opens up the universe a bit.  There will be some little plot holes here and there.  
 

I’m actually fine with it.  
 

Hated what they did with Rise Of Skywalker.  Which was theoretically new story and they screwed it up a lot worse than maybe having a little bizarre context change…

[Wildbunny]

@Voice_of_Reason nice take on Vader/Anakin. Perfectly makes sense

 

11 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

That's one of the issues with these prequel type series. Just too many chances of continuity errors. That's why they need to do something in the Old Republic era. Fresh new stories.

Honestly, with everything that has been done in the star wars universe with its expanded stuff, it's bound to happen.

 

Lucas himself had some continuity problems between the OT and the prequels he did has some basic stuff like lightsaber color didn't match originally forcing him to redo the OT to have it match.

 

I guess we'll have to live with it as there's close to 0 chance this never happen.

 

11 hours ago, No Nonsense said:

They might fight to a standstill, but he’s not putting a beating on Vader. Vader’s too much of an icon for that to happen. 

Probably yeah. If they don't give a crap about continuity, that'll be a draw or something like that. Though I'm expecting the 3rd sister to be in it at some point and get spanked as well. Maybe Obi-Wan facing the two at the same time. Would be fun.

If they want to have continuity, they have to go with Obi-Wan beating him, maybe even spare him at the end because he used to be Anakin and maybe there's a chance. Wouldn't surprise me if Obi-Wan tried to bring him back to the light side on occasion in this fight.

 

Anyway I never thought Obi-Wan really dominated Anakin in RotS like he claimed in the movie.

[Voice_of_Reason]

3 hours ago, Wildbunny said:

Lucas himself had some continuity problems between the OT and the prequels he did has some basic stuff like lightsaber color didn't match originally forcing him to redo the OT to have it match.

Lucas retconned himself within the OT as well.  Vader was originally not Luke and Leia's father, and they were originally not siblings.  (this has been reported.)  It's where the "from a certain point of view" thing came from originally.  The whole thing was a retcon, and had some continuity issues.

 

I personally don't care.  As long as it's not completely out to lunch, and makes some logical sense, or you can somehow draw lines, it's fine.  Everything doesn't have to fit perfectly.  

 

That said, there are some "iconic" lines or plot points which you don't really don't want to screw with.  There is one particular line from the OT which right now I have some questions about how they are going to reconcile.  @bearrock mentioned the line earlier in a spoiler quote.

 

I remain confident that something will change in the final 3 episodes to make sure that line still holds water.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

As a PSA, I am listening to 3 podcasts about Obi-Wan at the moment.  One of them has 2 episodes per week.  

 

- Ringerverse (from, obviously, The Ringer)  I'm not the hugest fan of The Ringer, but But Binge_Mode was my favorite podcast of all time.  Jason Concepcion left, and the podcast died, and that made me sad.  But Malory is still there, and is great.  They have an "instant reaction" pod with "The Midnight Boys."  It's somewhat entertaining but not very insightful.  I think they also try to be somewhat overly woke, which is a bit annoying.  Then, a few days later, Mal and Joanna Robinson do a "deep dive."  This is must listen.  It's wonderfully researched, the two of them have very good chemistry (not at the same Binge_Mode level, but very good), and it is at the same time, hysterical. 

 

- Children of the Watch.  They re-branded after being a Mandalorian show to be a Star Wars after show.  They go scene by scene, and are insightful. I think the "color guy" is named Mac, and he somewhat annoying laughs at a lot of things that aren't really funny, but it's good, insightful, and structured. 

 

- Dagobah Dispatch: An EW Star Wars Podcast.  This is your typical EW style podcast, and because they are EW, they get all the stars.  They have had Debrorah Chow (Director), Hayden Christensen, Rupert Friend and others.  This is more of a "behind the scenes" type of listen.  It's much more corporate, as you would expect, but is interesting.

 

If there are others folks enjoy, let me know. I tried a couple others which I didn't like.  The one which sticks out is the one by JLJ Media.  Just didn't care for it as much as the others.  

[bearrock]

21 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

That said, there are some "iconic" lines or plot points which you don't really don't want to screw with.  There is one particular line from the OT which right now I have some questions about how they are going to reconcile.  @bearrock mentioned the line earlier in a spoiler quote.

 

I remain confident that something will change in the final 3 episodes to make sure that line still holds water.

 

Yeah, pretty much where I'm at right now (thinking that at the end of the season, it will make sense, at least from a certain point of view.

 

I'm not a big hater of the sequel trilogy, actually rather like much of it.  But at this point, I would be up for just a total reboot of post RoTJ Star Wars Canon.  There’s just too many Jedi branching storylines in Disney+ series and things like Fallen Order to just say, eh nevermind, the order crumbled again cause Ben and Luke had a falling out.

[Yohan]

I am okay with the line not making sense after Kenobi. (I didn't think a Kenobi show was necessary, but here I am trying to enjoy the show and not pick knits).

 

After all in Empire Yoda says to Luke "Do or Do not. There is no try" to RoTS Kenobi to Anakin(Vader) "Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes."

 

 

[Momma There Goes That Man]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Ringerverse (from, obviously, The Ringer)  I'm not the hugest fan of The Ringer, but But Binge_Mode was my favorite podcast of all time.  Jason Concepcion left, and the podcast died, and that made me sad.  But Malory is still there, and is great.  They have an "instant reaction" pod with "The Midnight Boys."  It's somewhat entertaining but not very insightful.  I think they also try to be somewhat overly woke, which is a bit annoying.  Then, a few days later, Mal and Joanna Robinson do a "deep dive."  This is must listen.  It's wonderfully researched, the two of them have very good chemistry (not at the same Binge_Mode level, but very good), and it is at the same time, hysterical. 

check out x ray vision. Jason Concepcion from Binge Mode went to Crooked Media which does the pod save america stuff and now he does a fan podcast there for all the same type of stuff he was doing on binge mode. Agree on Ringer Verse. Midnight boys are ok but just too chaotic and less analytical and insightful. Just more fun times I suppose where Joanna and Mallory are can’t miss 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Momma There Goes That Man

[Momma There Goes That Man]

42 minutes ago, Yohan said:

I am okay with the line not making sense after Kenobi. (I didn't think a Kenobi show was necessary, but here I am trying to enjoy the show and not pick knits).

 

After all in Empire Yoda says to Luke "Do or Do not. There is no try" to RoTS Kenobi to Anakin(Vader) "Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes."

 

 

i guess the point is that does it really serve the existing story at all to have Obi Wan and Vader again or have Obi Wan with Luke and Leia etc. 

 

the answer is clearly no to me which is why this series shouldn’t have happened. I don’t see how any of this enhances the OT or existing story in any meaningful way, instead it weakens it quite a bit by inserting contradictions, logic gaps, and plot holes where they didn’t exist before 

 

but i guess fans just think its cool to see their favorites even tho there is no narrative purpose for them. Rule of cool. Yet we still have to hear ****ing about the Holdo maneuver even tho that was a cool moment because “it didn’t make sense” 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Momma There Goes That Man

[Yohan]

14 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

i guess the point is that does it really serve the existing story at all to have Obi Wan and Vader again or have Obi Wan with Luke and Leia etc. 

 

the answer is clearly no to me which is why this series shouldn’t have happened. I don’t see how any of this enhances the OT or existing story in any meaningful way, instead it weakens it quite a bit by inserting contradictions, logic gaps, and plot holes where they didn’t exist before 

Oh I agree, that is why I said I didn't feel this show was necessary. The only thing that makes sense is now Ewan Mcgregor is now  roughly the same age as Alec Guinness would be at this point in the time line.

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, Yohan said:

I am okay with the line not making sense after Kenobi. (I didn't think a Kenobi show was necessary, but here I am trying to enjoy the show and not pick knits).

 

After all in Empire Yoda says to Luke "Do or Do not. There is no try" to RoTS Kenobi to Anakin(Vader) "Only a Sith Deals in Absolutes."

 

 

I always read that Yoda line as a confidence thing.  If you don’t think you can do it, you won’t be able to.  So I’ve always interpreted the line as “I know you can do it, you need to believe you can also, and then you will. If you don’t believe you can, then don’t bother you will fail.”

 

Except that was not time for a soliloquy about confidence.  

[Voice_of_Reason]

1 hour ago, bearrock said:

 

Yeah, pretty much where I'm at right now (thinking that at the end of the season, it will make sense, at least from a certain point of view.

 

I'm not a big hater of the sequel trilogy, actually rather like much of it.  But at this point, I would be up for just a total reboot of post RoTJ Star Wars Canon.  There’s just too many Jedi branching storylines in Disney+ series and things like Fallen Order to just say, eh nevermind, the order crumbled again cause Ben and Luke had a falling out.

i dunno.  I think if you ignore the movies and focus on the Mando timeline, I think by hey are trying to make sense of post RotJ. 
 

Id be happy to erase the last of the movies. 
 

but I love the Rey character.  
 

I wonder if they are going to get into the rise of the First Order.  (Or whatever it was called.) 
 

Theres so much I like, but Rise Of Skywalker just blew most of it to hell.  Though even in that movie there were pieces I liked.  
 

 

 

[No Nonsense]

49 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

but I love the Rey character. 

What did you love about her? I found her to be bland and I know you’ve heard this, a Mary Sue. 

[88Comrade2000]

They need to retcon Vader. In the inevitable Vader series, he need be transgender and change his suit from black to rainbows. 

[bearrock]

1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

but I love the Rey character.

 

Same here.  I thought she was great (though many of my Star Wars loving friends think I'm crazy)

[Voice_of_Reason]

6 minutes ago, 88Comrade2000 said:

They need to retcon Vader. In the inevitable Vader series, he need be transgender and change his suit from black to rainbows. 

I know that’s a joke.

 

I think at some point we’re going to get a Vader movie. Why? Because it will do $1 Billion on opening weekend globally.  (Ok that’s an exaggeration, but maybe not by too much.). Disney is just holding this ace in the hole for whenever it needs it.  
 

I kindof see this series as a test balloon for that movie.  
 

What would truly be interesting would be to have a Vader movie leading up to and including the timeline of Rogue One, but told from his perspective.  And the last shot of the movie was the opening shot of A New Hope with him entering Leia’s ship.

 

Really, folks would just want to see him doing bad ass things.  Even though they would be supremely evil.  
 

The only question would be, he’s ALWAYS been used somewhat sparingly.  As a huge point of emphasis, when he shows up you know **** is going to go down.  
 

If you had a full movie with him as the main character, so you lose some of the shock value? I dunno.  

[Momma There Goes That Man]

I have no interest in a Vader movie which is why I’m sure it will happen because he’s popular and they have to squeeze every drop of life and enjoyment from this universe that they can.