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All Things Star Wars Thread -- Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

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53 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

Also, while entertaining, I just don’t think it needed to be told and I think the imagination of Han’s past was something best left untold.

Or, depending on how you look at it, already told decades ago. 

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On 7/28/2018 at 10:52 AM, Mournblade said:

Bringing Leia into EP 9 just smacks of desperation. Disney are in full panic mode after Solo, convinced that EP 9 may fail at

the box office too. 

That is laughable. 

 

Using already shot footage as a means to give the character closure is now “desperation”?

 

What seems desperate to me are people looking to criticize anything that Lucasfilm is doing. 

 

What I find amusing is how all the triggered fanboys claimed Mark Hammil was done with Star Wars after The Last Jedi but are now silent over the fact that he’s back. 

 

I see it now, all the triggers will now claim J.J. will retcon The Last Jedi to “fix” things.  Then 9 will come out and does nothing of the sort and rightly builds on Rian’s film and the irrational rage will spew forth once more. 

 

It will be fun. 

 

Oh and with regards to Solo “failing”, is Ant-Man or Dr Strange viewed as failures for Marvel?

 

Not every film in a franchise is a 500 mil domestic/1 billion world wide film. 

 

The moment that it was announced that there would be Star Wars films every year and on top of that some would be “stand-alones” the clock was ticking on when a Star Wars film would come out to modest (for blockbuster type films) box office. 

 

Personally I am not surprised that it was Solo that was the first to experience lower totals. While it was a solid fun film, it just was out of place. 

 

I feel that it should have been released after The Force Awakens. After we see the end of Han Solo, we then get an origin story. Instead we got Rogue One, which is a worthy story to tell in its own right and I liked it very much, but it did not seem to flow “thematically” from 7. 

 

I think the rightful critique of Lucasfilm right now is their “planning”. They really should have mapped out their release schedule much better. Stand-alones are good ideas but the ones coming out in between Saga films should accent the Saga story going on in some way. Solo would have done that for The Force Awakens, it was largely irrelevant after The Last Jedi. Then when no Saga movies are scheduled, then go with random stuff like Rogue One. 

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The Last Jedi was a bad movie, it was very poorly written, so many issues with it including ignoring stuff setup in 7. But Im looking forward to episode 9. I blame a lot of issues with Star Wars on Kathleen Kennedy and management as they give no direction or overall vision. Marvel movies have been amazing as they have an overall vision that all directors have to follow, Star Wars they just let the directors do whatever which really hurts continuity.

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4 hours ago, scruffylookin said:

I feel that it should have been released after The Force Awakens. After we see the end of Han Solo, we then get an origin story.

 

I think they missed a great opportunity to put Lando as the master code-breaker in TLJ. They could have shaved 30 minutes off that movie if they removed the Benicio/lock up stuff and just have Finn and Rose meet him in the casino. He's about to throw them out until they mention Han or Leia which causes him to pause as he hears them out and eventually agrees to help them after learning the fate of his fallen friend. Maybe he even just gives them a macguffin to break the code themselves so he doesn't have to be there. Then you can still have the rest of that arc with Finn and Rose sneaking onto Snoke's ship and getting caught. It would further setup Lando's return to action in Ep 9. 

 

I think it also would have been a perfect promotional opportunity for Solo where young Lando was a selling point and it would have been even larger had we just witnessed the older Lando helping the new heros in TLJ

 

And it would have made TLJ better

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14 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

I just didn’t feel like it had any substance or a worthwhile story to tell. Felt like a start to end goal was just checking off boxes but there was no significant or quality story that needed to be told. 

 

name? Check

chewie: check

falcon: check 

lando: check 

shoot first: check

 

Also, while entertaining, I just don’t think it needed to be told and I think the imagination of Han’s past was something best left untold. The truth was just a letdown and made the entire thing feel empty to me. 

 

Got it - I agree with most of that but just misinterpreted "meaningless" in your post. I took that to mean that you wanted these spin-off movies to fit into the larger story more. I actually like when they are a little more disconnected so that the scripts aren't always so bound by things we already know and they have to fit into. 

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7 minutes ago, TD_washingtonredskins said:

 

Got it - I agree with most of that but just misinterpreted "meaningless" in your post. I took that to mean that you wanted these spin-off movies to fit into the larger story more. I actually like when they are a little more disconnected so that the scripts aren't always so bound by things we already know and they have to fit into. 

 

I agree with that. I've said before, it's a massive galaxy. Everything doesn't have to connect to the same handful of people or he same story line. One of my least favorite things about Solo was the surprise cameo just because it felt completely unnecessary and was just an attempt to tack on to the main story and a popular character. 

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11 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

I agree with that. I've said before, it's a massive galaxy. Everything doesn't have to connect to the same handful of people or he same story line. One of my least favorite things about Solo was the surprise cameo just because it felt completely unnecessary and was just an attempt to tack on to the main story and a popular character. 

 

Yep, I hated that part too...to me, it made no sense. 

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5 hours ago, scruffylookin said:

That is laughable. 

 

Using already shot footage as a means to give the character closure is now “desperation”?

 

What seems desperate to me are people looking to criticize anything that Lucasfilm is doing. 

 

What I find amusing is how all the triggered fanboys claimed Mark Hammil was done with Star Wars after The Last Jedi but are now silent over the fact that he’s back. 

 

Whoever said that Mark Hammill was done.  There was talk pretty much right away about him coming back as a ghost.

 

http://collider.com/star-wars-8-mark-hamill-out-of-work/

 

https://www.inquisitr.com/4688454/star-wars-episode-9-lukes-story-continues-after-all-and-a-key-the-last-jedi-scene-set-up-a-big-return/

 

(it is even eluded to in the move.)

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2 hours ago, Mournblade said:

Scruffylookin, as Luke Skywalker said to Kylo Ren in TLJ: "Everything you just said is wrong." 

LOL

 

I do admit, that was funny. No substance to back it up but very funny.

1 hour ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

I think they missed a great opportunity to put Lando as the master code-breaker in TLJ. They could have shaved 30 minutes off that movie if they removed the Benicio/lock up stuff and just have Finn and Rose meet him in the casino. He's about to throw them out until they mention Han or Leia which causes him to pause as he hears them out and eventually agrees to help them after learning the fate of his fallen friend. Maybe he even just gives them a macguffin to break the code themselves so he doesn't have to be there. Then you can still have the rest of that arc with Finn and Rose sneaking onto Snoke's ship and getting caught. It would further setup Lando's return to action in Ep 9. 

 

I think it also would have been a perfect promotional opportunity for Solo where young Lando was a selling point and it would have been even larger had we just witnessed the older Lando helping the new heros in TLJ

 

And it would have made TLJ better

 

Agreed.

 

I did like the character of DJ but I do agree that having him be Lando instead would have been better.

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44 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

 

Whoever said that Mark Hammill was done.  There was talk pretty much right away about him coming back as a ghost.

 

http://collider.com/star-wars-8-mark-hamill-out-of-work/

 

https://www.inquisitr.com/4688454/star-wars-episode-9-lukes-story-continues-after-all-and-a-key-the-last-jedi-scene-set-up-a-big-return/

 

(it is even eluded to in the move.)

 

Sorry. I should have been clearer on that. My apologies.

 

What I meant to say, and should have fleshed it out some, is that it appears to me, mostly in social media, that folks who hated The Last Jedi have used Mark Hamill's statements regarding the film/Luke's character as proof that Hamill hated being "this" Luke Skywalker and that he was done with Star Wars. All I meant to illustrate is that it appears his "hate" for "DisneyWars" was a bit overstated, just like the hyperbole against Disney, Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson.

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I suspect DJs role was bigger originally OR they have something to reveal about him in IX. You don't cast that good (and big) of an actor to play a little role unless it's a favor. 

 

My only complaint about VIII was the lack of Finn/Poe time. Their bromance was unique to Star Wars in VII.

 

That's not a knock on Rose. I'm not a gamergate incel like some who've knocked VII.

 

 

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They've released the first photo from the set of EP 9.

 

Disney is basically marketing the movie A YEAR AND A HALF before it comes out. Full panic mode over there, people, full panic mode.  

 

(And if Scruffylookin' still wants to dismiss my "crazy" theory, just you wait: we're literally going to see one tidbit about the movie every week from now

until the movie comes out). 

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Maybe they need to cast Sebastian Stan (aka Bucky Barnes aka Winter Soldier) in something Star Wars...

 

 

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I’m kidding but I think you could make a pretty good movie. 

 

Jennifer Lawrence as Leia, Donald Glover as Lando and Ansel as Han. 

 

We already have Obi Wan. That covers everybody. 

 

 

Boom

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6 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

I’m kidding but I think you could make a pretty good movie. 

 

Jennifer Lawrence as Leia, Donald Glover as Lando and Ansel as Han. 

 

We already have Obi Wan. That covers everybody. 

 

 

Boom

 

Please not Jennifer Lawrence. Please

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On 8/13/2018 at 2:37 PM, Momma There Goes That Man said:

I’m kidding but I think you could make a pretty good movie. 

 

Jennifer Lawrence as Leia, Donald Glover as Lando and Ansel as Han. 

 

We already have Obi Wan. That covers everybody. 

 

 

Boom

 

Always wondered what those stormtroopers were saying who watched the fight: 

 

Stormtrooper 1: "20 bucks says Vader takes down the old man in under a minute"

Stormtrooper 2: "Ok you're on"

 

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