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http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

 

 

 

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The Bundy family of Nevada joined with hard-core militiamen Saturday to take over the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, vowing to occupy the remote federal outpost 50 miles southeast of Burns for years.

The occupation came shortly after an estimated 300 marchers – militia and local citizens both – paraded through Burns to protest the prosecution of two Harney County ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and Steven Hammond, who are to report to prison on Monday.

Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 150 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.

 

 

 

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Here's a link with some history of the Hammond ranchers that started this. 

 

 

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/eastern-oregon-ranchers-convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison

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Wait...   I'm confused.

 

Some Ranchers set fire to a bunch of Federal land, then were charged for it.  But now the militia says that they shouldn't serve any time?

 

I must be missing a bunch here.

 

And I actually believe in militias, etc.   But what's the cause???

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Do I have this right?

 

2001: Guy and son kill some animals, illegally, on federal land.

Guy and son burn federal land to cover up said gaming violations.

Guy and son lie about where fire started to cover up arson.

 

2006: Son commits another arson on federal land (though this one seems less malicious than the 2001 one).

 

2012: Guy and son have trial for arson.

Between then and now they are found guilty and sentenced, and need to turn themselves in.

 

Now, there's a bunch of people opposing those guys having to turn themselves in, and they took over a federal facility and are holing up there?

 

 

Yeah, there's a line to avoid crossing on this kind of stuff.  They've definitely crossed it.  Starve them out, and get the indictments all typed up.  And if they want to be violent, well they should recognize that between their rhetoric and weapons, that doing anything will put them right up at the top of the use of force continuum.

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Looks like what set this off was that the father and son were supposed to both do a year or less, now its been changed to four years each. This isn't the way to address that, though. Father and son had nothing to do with this taking over the park and plan to report for jail time (at least that's what the article says). I, too, am waiting to see how the feds respond.

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Well, hopefully ends with a whole bunch of people being arrested, unharmed, and prosecuted.

Might take a while. But then, the Feds have lots of money.

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So armed men take over a building? Hopefully they don't get the Tamir Rice treatment

Isn't this something we call "terrorism?"

If we don't call shutting down malls and freeways, blocking ambulances, destroying businesses, burning cities and openly calling for attacking LEOs, "terrorism," why should we call this?

Wait... I'm confused.

Some Ranchers set fire to a bunch of Federal land, then were charged for it. But now the militia says that they shouldn't serve any time?

I must be missing a bunch here.

And I actually believe in militias, etc. But what's the cause???

They served time. Due to a clerical error, they did not serve the minimum required sentence. The government appealed and now the Bundys are claiming Double Jeopardy.

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Sounds like domestic terrorists and not just a protesting militia. Talk about sucking from the government teet, and they getting pissed when they are expecting to pay for what they take.

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Pretty plain from the quotes that these people are Sovereign Citizens.

Which means this will not end peacefully

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where is the sawing off Oregon giff?

 

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They served time. Due to a clerical error, they did not serve the minimum required sentence. The government appealed and now the Bundys are claiming Double Jeopardy.

What part of arguing the minimum sentence is unconstitutional, winning that argument at trial, having an appeals court over rule and reinstitute the 5 year minimum as the law says, and SCOTUS rising to hear the case is a 'clerical error'?

Wish the federal government would move in and take these guys down. If they fight, then shoot them. I don't think you can have this bull**** in a civilized society. People should not be allowed to grab guns and threaten the government this way. Especially when their complaint is over such bs.

But they won't because the public would cry if they did. On both sides, even those making jokes about the police shootings.

So these guys will get to be as disruptive as they want, just further encouraging them. Yay.

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What part of arguing the minimum sentence is unconstitutional, winning that argument at trial, having an appeals court over rule and reinstitute the 5 year minimum as the law says, and SCOTUS rising to hear the case is a 'clerical error'?

Wish the federal government would move in and take these guys down. If they fight, then shoot them. I don't think you can have this bull**** in a civilized society. People should not be allowed to grab guns and threaten the government this way. Especially when their complaint is over such bs.

But they won't because the public would cry if they did. On both sides, even those making jokes about the police shootings.

So these guys will get to be as disruptive as they want, just further encouraging them. Yay.

The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to threaten the government.

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The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to threaten the government.

So what part is the 'clerical error'?

This isn't about second amendment. This is about welfare ranchers being thugs by grabbing guns and challenging the federal government because they know the government is reluctant to do anything. They don't want the public backlash. Waco was not exactly a good moment.

So they get to act like this. They're petulant little ****s.

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The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to threaten the government.

Yeah, but it also involves actually having a legitimate beef with the government.  It's not an excuse to petulantly react like a bunch of teenagers whose parents gave them a curfew.

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I feel like the far-right media machine may be doing a disservice to the welfare of the country. This episode is a perfect example of that.

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So what part is the 'clerical error'?

This isn't about second amendment. This is about welfare ranchers being thugs by grabbing guns and challenging the federal government because they know the government is reluctant to do anything. They don't want the public backlash. Waco was not exactly a good moment.

So they get to act like this. They're petulant little ****s.

The part where they served less time than the minimum

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The whole point of the 2nd Amendment is to threaten the government.

 

Aaand we're off . . . .

 

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The part where they served less time than the minimum

How so? It was part of their trial, they argued it was unconstitutional and won. They then lost in appeals and exhausted their options.

How is any of that a clerical error?

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The PacNW (& AK) has long been very "mainstream-social dropout" (myriad forms) friendly. That and the scenery are why I've remained regional.  :P

 

Someday I have to get the Sovereign Citizen Warrior (recently also converted from Baptist to Mormonism) I know to get an account on ES and post.  :lol:

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