FanboyOf91 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Pure comedy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chachie Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, visionary said: Russia??? Aw man I'm so confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 Russia is their biggest patron. They’ve been buying up their debt and supplying them militarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 9:48 PM, No Excuses said: The far left is an abomination when it comes to foreign policy and national security. I don’t joke that I would rather have neo-cons in power than these morons. What a surprise On 1/24/2019 at 9:54 PM, visionary said: I mean she could at least look up the situation before commenting. A lot of liberal Venezuelans are pissed at her on twitter now. It's one thing to be against intervention, but at least get the facts right. Yeah, I am not feeling her on that either. I am against intervention but that tweet was definitely uninformed. Saying that, is anyone talking about how the US sanctions helped create this situation? Maduro is a corrupt effer, but the sanctions helped this. (on top of Saudi Arabia to depressing oil prices in around 2014) I just hope the people of Venezuela can see better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Saying that, is anyone talking about how the US sanctions helped create this situation? Maduro is a corrupt effer, but the sanctions helped this. (on top of Saudi Arabia to depressing oil prices in around 2014) I just hope the people of Venezuela can see better. Which sanctions helped create this? Listed below are the sanctions for reference. Executive Order 13692 declares a national emergency with respect to the situation in Venezuela. The targeted sanctions in this Executive Order (E.O.) implement relevant provisions of the Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014 signed into law on December 18, 2014, and also provide sanctions authority that goes beyond the requirements of the legislation. The E.O. provides authority to target persons involved in or responsible for the erosion of human rights guarantees, persecution of political opponents, curtailment of press freedoms, use of violence and human rights violations and abuses in response to antigovernment protests, and arbitrary arrest and detention of antigovernment protestors, as well as significant public corruption by senior government officials in the country. E.O. 13692 does not target the people or economy of Venezuela. Executive Order 13808, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: certain new debt of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA); certain new debt or new equity of the Government of Venezuela; existing bonds issued by the Government of Venezuela prior to August 25, 2017; and dividend payments or other distributions of profits to the Government of Venezuela from any entity owned or controlled by the Government of Venezuela. In addition, E.O. 13808 prohibits the purchase by a U.S. person or within the United States of most securities from the Government of Venezuela. Executive Order 13827 prohibits all transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in any digital currency, digital coin, or digital token issued by, for, or on behalf of the Government of Venezuela on or after January 9, 2018 wherein U.S. jurisdiction is implicated. The Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) simultaneously issued frequently asked questions (#559-563) clarifying that compliance obligations are the same, regardless of whether a transaction is denominated in digital currency or a traditional fiat currency. OFAC also clarified that U.S. persons and persons otherwise subject to OFAC jurisdiction that facilitate or engage in online commerce or process transactions using digital currency are responsible for ensuring that they do not engage in unauthorized transactions prohibited by U.S. sanctions. Executive Order 13835, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: the purchase of any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela (including PDVSA), such as but not limited to accounts receivable; any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela that is pledged as collateral after May 21, 2018; and the sale, transfer, assignment, or pledging as collateral by the Government of Venezuela of any equity interest in any entity in which it has a 50 percent or greater ownership interest. E.O. 13835 closes another avenue for corruption by denying the Venezuelan regime the ability to earn money by selling off public assets at “fire sale” prices at the expense of the Venezuelan people. Executive Order 13850, among other things, authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary, to operate in the gold sector of the Venezuelan economy or in any other sector of the Venezuelan economy as may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State. Moreover, it authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, any transactions involving deceptive practices or corruption and the Government of Venezuela or projects or programs administered by the Government of Venezuela, or to be an immediate adult family member of such a perso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bozo the kKklown Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 1 hour ago, nonniey said: Which sanctions helped create this? Listed below are the sanctions for reference. Executive Order 13692 declares a national emergency with respect to the situation in Venezuela. The targeted sanctions in this Executive Order (E.O.) implement relevant provisions of the Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014 signed into law on December 18, 2014, and also provide sanctions authority that goes beyond the requirements of the legislation. The E.O. provides authority to target persons involved in or responsible for the erosion of human rights guarantees, persecution of political opponents, curtailment of press freedoms, use of violence and human rights violations and abuses in response to antigovernment protests, and arbitrary arrest and detention of antigovernment protestors, as well as significant public corruption by senior government officials in the country. E.O. 13692 does not target the people or economy of Venezuela. Executive Order 13808, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: certain new debt of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA); certain new debt or new equity of the Government of Venezuela; existing bonds issued by the Government of Venezuela prior to August 25, 2017; and dividend payments or other distributions of profits to the Government of Venezuela from any entity owned or controlled by the Government of Venezuela. In addition, E.O. 13808 prohibits the purchase by a U.S. person or within the United States of most securities from the Government of Venezuela. Executive Order 13827 prohibits all transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in any digital currency, digital coin, or digital token issued by, for, or on behalf of the Government of Venezuela on or after January 9, 2018 wherein U.S. jurisdiction is implicated. The Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) simultaneously issued frequently asked questions (#559-563) clarifying that compliance obligations are the same, regardless of whether a transaction is denominated in digital currency or a traditional fiat currency. OFAC also clarified that U.S. persons and persons otherwise subject to OFAC jurisdiction that facilitate or engage in online commerce or process transactions using digital currency are responsible for ensuring that they do not engage in unauthorized transactions prohibited by U.S. sanctions. Executive Order 13835, among other things, prohibits transactions by a United States person or within the United States related to: the purchase of any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela (including PDVSA), such as but not limited to accounts receivable; any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela that is pledged as collateral after May 21, 2018; and the sale, transfer, assignment, or pledging as collateral by the Government of Venezuela of any equity interest in any entity in which it has a 50 percent or greater ownership interest. E.O. 13835 closes another avenue for corruption by denying the Venezuelan regime the ability to earn money by selling off public assets at “fire sale” prices at the expense of the Venezuelan people. Executive Order 13850, among other things, authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary, to operate in the gold sector of the Venezuelan economy or in any other sector of the Venezuelan economy as may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State. Moreover, it authorizes the imposition of blocking sanctions on persons determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, any transactions involving deceptive practices or corruption and the Government of Venezuela or projects or programs administered by the Government of Venezuela, or to be an immediate adult family member of such a perso Obama’s 2014 sanctions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 20 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Obama’s 2014 sanctions Sorry for the delay been out. So you are contending the following contributed the economic/societal disaster in Venezuela? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela_Defense_of_Human_Rights_and_Civil_Society_Act_of_2014 Procedural history[edit] The bill was introduced by Senator Robert Menendez on March 13, 2014.[2] It was then passed by the Senate on December 7, 2014 and passed the House on December 10, 2014 to be signed into law by President Barack Obama. On December 18, 2014, President Obama signed the bill into law.[3] Actions[edit] On February 2, 2015, the United States Department of State imposed visa restrictions on current and former Venezuelan officials that were allegedly linked to presumed human rights abuses and political corruption.[4] The visa restrictions also included family members of those involved in the allegations, with the Department of State saying, "We are sending a clear message that human rights abusers, those who profit from public corruption, and their families are not welcome in the United States".[4] March 2015[edit] On March 9, 2015, President Obama ordered the United States Department of the Treasury to freeze property and assets of the following:[5] Antonio José Benavides Torres - a commander in the Venezuelan armed forces and former leader of the Venezuelan National Guard. Gustavo Enrique González López - Director General of SEBIN. Justo José Noguera Pietri - former General Commander of Venezuela’s National Guard Katherine Nayarith Haringhton Padron - a national-level prosecutor in Venezuela. Manuel Eduardo Pérez Urdaneta - Director of the Bolivarian National Police Manuel Gregorio Bernal Martínez - former Director General of SEBIN Miguel Alcides Vivas Landino - Inspector General of the Venezuelan armed forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, nonniey said: Sorry for the delay been out. So you are contending the following contributed the economic/societal disaster in Venezuela? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela_Defense_of_Human_Rights_and_Civil_Society_Act_of_2014 Procedural history[edit] The bill was introduced by Senator Robert Menendez on March 13, 2014.[2] It was then passed by the Senate on December 7, 2014 and passed the House on December 10, 2014 to be signed into law by President Barack Obama. On December 18, 2014, President Obama signed the bill into law.[3] Actions[edit] On February 2, 2015, the United States Department of State imposed visa restrictions on current and former Venezuelan officials that were allegedly linked to presumed human rights abuses and political corruption.[4] The visa restrictions also included family members of those involved in the allegations, with the Department of State saying, "We are sending a clear message that human rights abusers, those who profit from public corruption, and their families are not welcome in the United States".[4] March 2015[edit] On March 9, 2015, President Obama ordered the United States Department of the Treasury to freeze property and assets of the following:[5] Antonio José Benavides Torres - a commander in the Venezuelan armed forces and former leader of the Venezuelan National Guard. Gustavo Enrique González López - Director General of SEBIN. Justo José Noguera Pietri - former General Commander of Venezuela’s National Guard Katherine Nayarith Haringhton Padron - a national-level prosecutor in Venezuela. Manuel Eduardo Pérez Urdaneta - Director of the Bolivarian National Police Manuel Gregorio Bernal Martínez - former Director General of SEBIN Miguel Alcides Vivas Landino - Inspector General of the Venezuelan armed forces. Did I stutter in my typing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Did I stutter in my typing? You honestly think freezing the personal assets (That we had access to btw) of 7 corrupt individuals and denying them and their families the ability to travel to the United States played a major role in the Venezuelan economic disaster? You seriously believe that? Heck the executive orders posted above do more than that and they do next to nothing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said: Did I stutter in my typing? This is a ridiculous take and a weak attempt at blaming the US for the mess in Venezuela. Our foreign policy sucks for the most part but Venezeula’s issues are almost entirely a result of terrible economic planning and poor leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
China Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Venezuela Has 20 Tons of Gold Ready to Ship. Address Unknown (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan lawmaker Jose Guerra dropped a bombshell on Twitter Tuesday: The Russian Boeing 777 that had landed in Caracas the day before was there to spirit away 20 tons of gold from the vaults of the country’s central bank. The claim set off a welter of social media speculation and outrage. When asked how he knew this, Guerra provided no evidence. Just another outlandish comment from a lawmaker trying to draw attention to the plight of crisis-torn Venezuela? Perhaps not. For one thing, Guerra is a former central bank economist who remains in touch with old colleagues there. For another, a person with direct knowledge of the matter told Bloomberg News Tuesday that 20 tons of gold have been set aside in the central bank for loading. Worth some $840 million, the gold represents about 20 percent of its holdings of the metal in Venezuela, the person said. He provided no further information on plans for those bars. With strongman President Nicolas Maduro losing control of the country’s already-scant finances and reserves thanks to U.S. sanctions, who can put his hands on the nation’s estimated 200 tons of gold at home and abroad has become a key question. The nation owes billions to its patrons Russia and China as well as bondholders, and also needs hard currency to buy food for its starving people. Click on the link for the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 7 hours ago, nonniey said: You honestly think freezing the personal assets (That we had access to btw) of 7 corrupt individuals and denying them and their families the ability to travel to the United States played a major role in the Venezuelan economic disaster? You seriously believe that? Heck the executive orders posted above do more than that and they do next to nothing as well. All I know is about 2 million people have fled that country and inflation has gone up 60,000% since the 2015 sanctions hit. Maduro is obviously a corrupt piece of piss but the 2015 sanction and the subsequent ones that followed have helped destroy that nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No Excuses Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 9 hours ago, BenningRoadSkin said: All I know is about 2 million people have fled that country and inflation has gone up 60,000% since the 2015 sanctions hit. Maduro is obviously a corrupt piece of piss but the 2015 sanction and the subsequent ones that followed have helped destroy that nation. How did US sanctions against a few corrupt officials destroy Venezuela? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 All i know is that after 2015 the Bears sent Jay Cutler packing... and the Venezuelan economy continued its descent into ****tiness. coincidence??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, mcsluggo said: All i know is that after 2015 the Bears sent Jay Cutler packing... and the Venezuelan economy continued its descent into ****tiness. coincidence??? I was trying to think of something along these lines to post but couldn't come up with one I liked. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FanboyOf91 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-naval-update-map-jan-31-2019 hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, FanboyOf91 said: https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/us-naval-update-map-jan-31-2019 hmm... I'm curious what you think this map means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Guantanamo is currently trending on twitter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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