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6 hours ago, CousinsCowgirl84 said:

It’s about as effective as anything else…. Send me a video of you shimmying up 24ft of cargo container then we’ll talk about how easy it is to climb over.

Would you settle for the frequently shown pictures, already posted in the thread, showing the frequent gaps in between the containers?  Gaps because the ground isn't flat?  

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17 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said:

Gotta wonder if the Biden administration was doing better at the border, would this still ha e been decided this way?


Well, they should be deciding based on the law, not based on the effectiveness of current policies, so if the decision would change based on that then they aren't doing their jobs properly.

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Newly released records from Gov. Ron DeSantis confirmed that his public safety czar, Larry Keefe, communicated with a Destin-based contractor hired to fly mostly Venezuelan migrants from Texas to Massachusetts using a private email account with the call name “Clarice Starling.” 


They also confirmed that he used an encryption app to chat with James Montgomerie of Vertol Systems, the military contractor the state has paid nearly $3.5 million to relocate migrants to so-called “sanctuary states” under a program administered by the Florida Department of Transportation but overseen by Keefe.


Very above the board

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Re: SCOTUS and Immigration/COVID

So SCOTUS won't allow the government to have a vaccine mandate.  But they will allow the government to swiftly remove unlawful immigrants. 


How is this not "results based logic"?  


I feel like we lost when the GOP policymakers were mum on "Bush v. Gore".  Every vote matters except when they are vote for your opponent. Gore would have won a fair recount...


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DeSantis activates National Guard to respond to ‘alarming influx’ of migrants in Florida Keys


Gov. Ron DeSantis has activated the Florida National Guard and other state law enforcement agencies in response to what officials call an “alarming influx of migrants” coming to the Florida Keys.


Since the start of the year, hundreds of migrants have flowed into the Sunshine State, mainly from Cuba according to reports by the Associated Press. The AP put the number as high as 700 since the New Year’s weekend. 337 of the migrants came to shore at Dry Tortugas National Park.


In response, and ahead of a trial over immigration issues set to start in Penascola on Monday, DeSantis signed an executive order to have state agents respond to the migrants coming into Florida and provide “additional support toward efforts to prevent further migrant landings” in the state.


“As the negative impacts of Biden’s lawless immigration policies continue unabated, the burden of the Biden administration’s failure falls on local law enforcement who lack the resources to deal with the crisis,” DeSantis said in a statement accompanying the executive order’s announcement. “That is why I am activating the National Guard and directing state resources to help alleviate the strain on local resources. When Biden continues to ignore his legal responsibilities, we will step in to support our communities.”


According to the governor’s office, Florida “will deploy air assets, including airplanes and helicopters from the Florida National Guard, and will bolster Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission marine patrol” to give more resources for water interdictions and make sure migrants entering through the Florida Straits arrive safely.


However, the governor’s announcement also called the federal response to immigration “inept” and said it “failed to provide the resources necessary to respond to the current mass migration event.” Instead, officials say the burden of response falls on local law enforcement, such as the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office, which the state says has only 194 deputies.


The executive order itself comes just days away from a federal trial pitting Florida against the White House as the culmination of a suit filed in 2021. A release from the office of Attorney General Ashley Moody Thursday said the state would be taking Biden’s administration to court over what they call unlawful immigration policies.


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On 12/25/2022 at 1:09 AM, Captain Wiggles said:





The stink from Ducey's $200 million shipping container border wall just got a little stinkier


It’s bad enough that former Gov. Doug Ducey’s silly container wall on the border – the one on which migrants posed as they hopped over it and slipped through it – cost the state more than $100 million to build.


Bad enough that it’s costing us another $100 million, just a few months later, to take the thing down and haul it away, according to a report by The Arizona Republic’s José Ignacio Castañeda Perez.


But you know what’s just plain sad? Ducey apparently couldn’t find any Arizona company capable of doing the work.


Instead, the Ducey administration brought in a Florida disaster management company to do the work – one that donated (illegally) to a pro-Trump super PAC.


One that snagged the job in a no-bid contract.


After eight years in office – and with just four months to go – Ducey in August suddenly deemed it an emergency to buy and drag thousands of 3,000-pound steel shipping containers to the border and stack them with the approximate skill of a toddler playing with blocks.


In other words, a giant mess.


“Arizona has had enough,” Ducey said, at the time. “We can’t wait any longer. The Biden administration’s lack of urgency on border security is a dereliction of duty.”


No word on why it took until Ducey’s final few months in office for Arizona to have had enough, given Biden’s longstanding inability to manage the border.


Or why a governor, renowned for offering up no-bid contracts and other goodies to those who have advanced his political career, chose a politically connected Florida company to do the work.


Or how the lame-duck governor’s container wall would stop anyone from crossing the border, given that migrants could squeeze between some of them or climb over any of them.


In mid-December, the Biden administration sued the state for trespassing on federal land and damaging the environment, prompting Ducey to quickly declare victory – noting Biden's plan to fence part of the border – and announce that he would dismantle the wall.


As publicity stunts go for a politically ambitious governor about to leave office, it was golden.


Golden, too, for the politically connected Florida company brought in to do the work.


AshBritt Management & Logistics illegally contributed $500,000 to the pro-Trump America First Action PAC in 2018. The money eventually was refunded and the company fined $125,000, as the law bars federal contractors like AshBritt – the company at the time had a $40 million contract with the Department of Defense – from contributing to political committees. Meanwhile, the AshBritt Foundation made a $10,000 charitable contribution to The Mar-a-Lago Club in 2019.


So how, you might wonder, would a Trump-connected Florida firm land a no-bid contract worth more than $200 million to build and then dismantle a leaky “wall” of shipping containers in Arizona?


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Texas Man Allegedly Pointed Gun at Migrants, Said He ‘Was Doing it For America’


A Texas man is behind bars after he allegedly held multiple migrants at gunpoint on New Year’s Eve and said he was “doing it for America.” Steven Matthew Driscoll, 27, was taken into custody last Wednesday and charged with one count each of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, disorderly conduct – displaying a firearm, and evading arrest in a motor vehicle, records reviewed by Law&Crime show.


A federal complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas also charged Driscoll with one count of being a felon in possession of a firearm. In 2018, Driscoll was convicted on one count of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and sentenced to three years in a state prison.


According to a press release from the El Paso Police Department (EPPD), officers at approximately 10:34 p.m. on Dec. 31 responded to a 911 call regarding an adult male allegedly harassing migrants. While on the line with the emergency dispatcher, the caller then stated that the man had a gun.


According to a copy of the federal complaint obtained by Law&Crime, Driscoll brandished the weapon at a “warming station” in downtown El Paso and was overheard saying that “he was doing it for America” before fleeing the scene in his vehicle.


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5 minutes ago, Tundra scout said:

Month of December saw a record month of over 250,000 illegals crossing the border. Nothing to see here. The border is secure 


You should try linking to data to back up your claims, it promotes better discussion:


Monthly encounters with migrants at U.S.-Mexico border remain near record highs


Monthly encounters between U.S. Border Patrol agents and migrants attempting to cross into the United States at the U.S.-Mexico border remain at levels not seen in more than two decades, according to the latest available government statistics. The recent influx of migrants at the southwestern border has been a key topic of discussion this week in meetings between U.S. President Joe Biden and his Mexican counterpart, Andrés Manuel López Obrador.


The number of monthly migrant encounters had fallen to 16,182 – the second-lowest total in more than 20 years – in April 2020, shortly after the coronavirus outbreak forced the closure of the southwestern border and slowed migration across much of the world.


But encounters with migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border have soared since then, with 206,239 reported in November 2022, according to the latest available monthly data from U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the federal agency that encompasses the Border Patrol. Recent monthly totals far exceed the peak reached during the last major wave of migration at the U.S.-Mexico border in May 2019 and are roughly on par with the previous peak reached in March 2000.




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U.S. Customs and Border Protection migrant encounters at the southern border surpassed 250,000 for the month of December, the highest ever recorded, a Department of Homeland Security source, who requested anonymity as they weren’t authorized to speak publicly, disclosed to the Daily Caller News Foundation.


The new total surpasses May 2022’s more than 241,000 migrant encounters, which was the highest DHS ever recorded before December 2022.




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House GOP lays groundwork for Mayorkas impeachment as moderates balk


Senior House Republicans are moving swiftly to build a case against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas as they strongly weigh launching rare impeachment proceedings against a Cabinet secretary, a plan that could generate sharp backlash from GOP moderates.


Key committee chairmen are already preparing to hold hearings on the problems at the southern border, which Republicans say could serve as a prelude to an impeachment inquiry against Mayorkas. Three House committees – Oversight, Homeland Security and Judiciary – will soon hold hearings about the influx of migrants and security concerns at the border.


The House Judiciary Committee, which would have jurisdiction over an impeachment resolution, is prepared to move ahead with formal proceedings if there appears to be a consensus within the GOP conference, according to a GOP source directly familiar with the matter. The first impeachment resolution introduced by House Republicans already has picked up support, including from a member of the GOP leadership team.


A GOP source said the first Judiciary Committee hearing on the border could come later this month or early February.


One top chairman is already sounding supportive of the move, a sign of how the idea of impeaching President Joe Biden’s Cabinet secretary has moved from the fringes to the mainstream of the conference.


“If anybody is a prime candidate for impeachment in this town, it’s Mayorkas,” Rep. James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, told CNN.


It’s exceedingly rare for a Cabinet secretary to be impeached, something that has only happened once in US history – when William Belknap, the secretary of war, was impeached by the House before being acquitted by the Senate in 1876. Yet it’s a very real possibility now after Kevin McCarthy – as he was pushing for the votes to win the speakership – called on Mayorkas to resign or face potential impeachment proceedings.


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