Burgold

The immigration thread: American Melting Pot or Get off my Lawn

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It’s completely appropriate to contest the phrasing “concentration camps”

 

and reasonable people can do that while also caring about the people in those camps

 

there are people who use the argument to distract from the issue

 

accusing everyone of using it to distract is lazy and dumb. You’re not much better than the people actually using it to distract. 

 

Reasonable people are capable of having both conversations. Obviously many people are not reasonable. 

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16 minutes ago, Cooked Crack said:

 

 

Everyone should read this.

 

This is just one paragraph:

 

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Over the weekend, the President agreed to halt the operation. But it’s far from certain whether McAleenan actually got the upper hand. Officials in the White House authorized ice to issue a press release insinuating that someone had leaked important details about the operation and therefore compromised it. “Any leak telegraphing sensitive law-enforcement operations is egregious and puts our officers’ safety in danger,” an ice spokesperson said late Saturday afternoon. This was a puzzling statement given that it was Trump who first publicized the information about the operation. But the White House’s line followed a different script: some members of the Administration, as well as the former head of ice, Thomas Homan, were publicly accusing McAleenan of sharing information with reporters in an attempt to undermine the operation.

 

This administration is a masterpiece of incompetence and its glaringly obvious on its two primary campaign agendas: immigration and trade. Both are a ****show of incompetence and failure.

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Re: Russell Moore - Jerry Falwell Jr.

 

Jr. is really trying to up the turd game compared to his dad, who was a monumental turd of a person himself.

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51 minutes ago, Burgold said:

 

 

. . . because it provides funding for improving the conditions of detention, but doesn't include funding for detaining more people, or for his wall.  

 

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Graphic imagery.

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According to Le Duc’s reporting for La Jornada, Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez, frustrated because the family from El Salvador was unable to present themselves to U.S. authorities and request asylum, swam across the river on Sunday with his daughter, Valeria.

He set her on the U.S. bank of the river and started back for his wife, Tania Vanessa Ávalos, but seeing him move away the girl threw herself into the waters. Martínez returned and was able to grab Valeria, but the current swept them both away

 

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“I begged them not to go, but he wanted to scrape together money to build a home,” Ramírez said. “They hoped to be there a few years and save up for the house.

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8 minutes ago, twa said:

“I begged them not to go, but he wanted to scrape together money to build a home,” Ramírez said. “They hoped to be there a few years and save up for the house.

 

Ah, well.  They deserved it then.  

 

Good thing we turned them away,  when they showed up at the border and requested asylum, like they're supposed to.  

 

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I distinctly recall when Trump was trying to build the wall, the Dem argument was that there was no crisis at the border. Immigration was down, it was a solution in search of a problem, the broder crisis was overstated for political purposes.

 

NOW, the Dems have pivoted it back to being a crisis, a different kind of crisis, something has to be done, it's a humanitarian issue, but what about the children, etc. 

 

The Trump admin wanted it to be the volume of people at the border and the damage they were gonna do to America.  The opposition wants it to be the damage the administration is doing to these people.  They can paint them as heartless ****s.  And this picture going around is pretty shameless to me.  Just freely showing the bodies of dead children.  Frankly, if that were an American child in an American inner city face down dead, they're not gonna bother.  

 

Side note: Being poor shouldn't necessarily be a reason to seek asylum.  

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It is entirely a crisis of Trump’s own making. Wasting immigration resources on going after non-criminals and building an idiotic wall that’s nothing more than a symbol, changing asylum rules without clear direction, separating children from parents and worst of all: a constant flux of leadership at DHS and no confirmed secretary of DHS, CBP or ICE. 

 

Vote for a clown, expect a circus. 

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4 minutes ago, justice98 said:

I distinctly recall when Trump was trying to build the wall, the Dem argument was that there was no crisis at the border. Immigration was down, it was a solution in search of a problem, the broder crisis was overstated for political purposes.

 

NOW, the Dems have pivoted it back to being a crisis, a different kind of crisis, something has to be done, it's a humanitarian issue, but what about the children, etc. 

 

The Trump admin wanted it to be the volume of people at the border and the damage they were gonna do to America.  The opposition wants it to be the damage the administration is doing to these people.  They can paint them as heartless ****s.  And this picture going around is pretty shameless to me.  Just freely showing the bodies of dead children.  Frankly, if that were an American child in an American inner city face down dead, they're not gonna bother.  

 

Side note: Being poor shouldn't be a reason to seek asylum.  

The ignorance and underlying hate in one post. Amazing.

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2 hours ago, Larry said:

 

Ah, well.  They deserved it then.  

 

Good thing we turned them away,  when they showed up at the border and requested asylum, like they're supposed to.  

 

 

If you put yourself and your family at risk is death deserved or just a consequence of your choice?

 

Told to wait rather than putting them in overcrowded concentration camps you mean?????

 

 

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Darn those people for making Trump change the rules every couple of weeks. It's obviously their fault. 

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It seems like people are confusing requesting asylum with being granted asylum.   It is not illegal to seek asylum, regardless of the reason.  It doesn't mean you will or should be granted asylum, but if you are showing up to the place you should to request asylum, you haven't done anything wrong at that point. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, NoCalMike said:

It seems like people are confusing requesting asylum with being granted asylum.   It is not illegal to seek asylum, regardless of the reason.  It doesn't mean you will or should be granted asylum, but if you are showing up to the place you should to request asylum, you haven't done anything wrong at that point. 

 

 

They don't care. Do not shoot them bail by saying they are confused. 

 

We need to stop being civil with the uncivilized.

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2 hours ago, Larry said:

Darn those people for making Trump change the rules every couple of weeks. It's obviously their fault. 

Elections have consequences. 

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