visionary Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleaseBlitz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What is the argument against universal background checks? That they would prevent criminals from obtaining guns, and that would hurt gun manufacturers bottom lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Edited October 3, 2017 by LadySkinsFan 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeman38 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Nice. God and abortions. Shocked... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llevron Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: What is the argument against universal background checks? That they would prevent criminals from obtaining guns, and that would hurt gun manufacturers bottom lines? Same as people on the no fly list and people who are clinically insane im sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, Popeman38 said: Nice. God and abortions. Shocked... Show me where it's not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 39 minutes ago, PleaseBlitz said: What is the argument against universal background checks? That they would prevent criminals from obtaining guns, and that would hurt gun manufacturers bottom lines? Not to mention, with the way things are going, if universal background checks became a thing they'd make the laws more lax so that people didn't get tripped up by the check, see: changes to make it easier for mental health patients to get guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: Show me where it's not true. Your first picture absolutely isn't true and I dare you to prove otherwise. Guns are much heavier regulated than "your uterus". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busch1724 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) While I agree automatic (military style) weapons ban, gun show loopholes, and more reliable background checks should all be on the table, the Dems would be smart to not start here with those issues. It's a no win proposition with the right. Sure doing the right thing shouldn't be political, but unfortunately it is. What the Dems should do to control this narrative is the following manner: Recognize there is now some support for the ACA and the repeal and replace hasn't been seen as particularly popular across both sides of the aisle. Move the discussion to how the bills brought forth by the right have medicaid cuts. Make a point of explaining these medicaid cuts could be used to help those with mental afflictions. If the right truly thinks there is an issue with mental health (which I'm not so sure they truly believe it), the Dems could force their hand on the issue. Force a nationwide discussion on mental health issues and its impact on society. Edited October 3, 2017 by Busch1724 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 49 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: You may want to edit or delete that last cartoon, as the profanity filter will not catch that f-bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 5 minutes ago, Busch1724 said: If the right truly thinks there is an issue with mental health (which I'm not so sure they truly believe it), the Dems could force their hand on the issue. Force a nationwide discussion on mental health issues and its impact on society. They don't. They speak of caring with their mouths while taking away with their hands. It's a deflection tool, nothing more. Use it in a few debates so you can act like you give a crap about solving an issue and then when the news cycle shifts go right back to trying to take away medicaid/medicare/healthcare/etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LadySkinsFan Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 1 hour ago, GhostofSparta said: You may want to edit or delete that last cartoon, as the profanity filter will not catch that f-bomb. Thanks for the heads up! I didn't even think about the profanity. 1 hour ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Your first picture absolutely isn't true and I dare you to prove otherwise. Guns are much heavier regulated than "your uterus". When the Republicans are doing everything they can to outlaw abortion, put limits on a legal medical procedure, then yes, uteruses are more heavily regulated than guns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, LadySkinsFan said: When the Republicans are doing everything they can to outlaw abortion, put limits on a legal medical procedure, then yes, uteruses are more heavily regulated than guns. But they havent accomplished this. Want to take aguess at the number of gun related laws vs uterus related laws? If you want to make an argument, at least use something close to facts. Otherwise we may mistake you for Fox news. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 But they have, you're not paying attention. We still have Roe v. Wade, but the Republican controlled states and the Republican platform are working in concert to deny abortions past a certain point, criminalize doctors performing abortions, putting restrictions on abortion clinics, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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twa Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 It is fun, but a costly hobby. But I've never cared for cow pasture pool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, LadySkinsFan said: But they have, you're not paying attention. We still have Roe v. Wade, but the Republican controlled states and the Republican platform are working in concert to deny abortions past a certain point, criminalize doctors performing abortions, putting restrictions on abortion clinics, and more. I am paying attention. But to say there is more regulation is still false. And it hurts any future argument you make on this subject. There certainly are regulations on a uterus. But they pale in comparison to gun regs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) CNN article premise: Authorities haven't told us what guns were used but here's a bunch of random guesses so you can discuss your gun law ideas without any information on the guns used in this shooting Edited October 4, 2017 by tshile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Aren't people right in this thread and the other one saying that the NRA already has what they want, and it's nearly impossible to get any legislation passed with any other restrictions? Even fully automatic weapons can be licensed, and current regs are holey enough to drive a truck through. And they are getting ready to pass a law permitting the unrestricted buying of silencers. Edited October 4, 2017 by LadySkinsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatBuzz Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Im curious what the other pro gun people here think about bump stocks and how much they should be available...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Just now, TheGreatBuzz said: Im curious what the other pro gun people here think about bump stocks and how much they should be available...... I'd be fine with similar background checks to automatics. Not a fan. REMEMBER, ONLY PEOPLE APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE GUNS:AP: “The Las Vegas gunman who killed nearly 60 people at a country music festival worked as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and in an auditing department over a 10-year period.” 94Posted at 6:22 pm by Glenn Reynolds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tshile Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 28 minutes ago, TheGreatBuzz said: Im curious what the other pro gun people here think about bump stocks and how much they should be available...... I don't know if I qualify as pro gun. I'm certainly not anti-gun. I don't understand why those are legal. They should fall into the categories for automatic weapons and grenade launchers, and if you do that then what's the point? I guess cheaper than a machine gun. Honestly, I think the gun manufactures have a responsibility to the rest of us and manufacturing bump fire mechanisms would go against that. To me that's profiteering at the expense of mass shooting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandymac27 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'm so conflicted on this. As a liberal I still feel like people should be able to own a gun to protect their homes/familes or even used to hunt,even though I'm not a hunter. Otoh I feel like having 47weapons, some of which have been converted to automatic weapons is completely unnecessary. I also believe if there were a ban on these conversion mechanisms there wouldn't have been nearly as many fatalities. Personally I would be willing to give up my right to bear arms if it means not having to deal with innocent lives being lost. But that's just my opinion. At some point we're all gonna have to have this conversation and that means we're all gonna have to compromise. I just don't think that's possible in today's society. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD0506 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 This guy! I know, here I go again posting his vids but I like this guy, he talks in straight lines and says **** occasionally when necessary (kinda like I do): Link cuz'a language https://www.facebook.com/traecrowder/videos/672513076292692/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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