Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Smokers shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Or, at the very least, they should be subject to a mandatory 37 month waiting period. And at the end of that 37 months, they shouldn't get a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Pot smokers ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 a couple days ago I changed the word "discuss" in the title to "dismiss" (one of those whimsical Jumbo moments) and wondered if anyone would catch it Yeah. Someone noticed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Fascinating. http://gawker.com/milwaukee-cops-sue-gun-dealer-over-negligent-sale-of-we-1736170656 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Fascinating. http://gawker.com/milwaukee-cops-sue-gun-dealer-over-negligent-sale-of-we-1736170656 Corrupt FFLs and shady dealers are one of the major problems and something that needs to be a bigger focus of any reform talks. Over half of all the guns used in crimes can be traced by to just around 1% of licensed gun dealers. That 1% is tacitly responsible for a lot of heartache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 From their linked article, about the PLCAA: The Second Amendment Is Not What Protects Gun Dealers After Massacres Not even all liberals agree, however, that PLCAA should be repealed. Leftie folk hero Bernie Sanders, currently seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, voted for PLCAA in 2005, in fact. During a CNN interview in July, Sanders explained his support for the legislation thus: ...f somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer, and that murderer kills somebody with the gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beat somebody over the head with a hammer. That is not what a lawsuit should be about. The Washington Post’s “Fact Checker” then pointed out that Sanders’s comparison is “misleading and a simplification of this complex case.” PLCAA provides immunity and extra technical protections to gun manufacturers that hammer manufacturers currently do not enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Sanders voted against the Brady Bill..so his support (a lot of the time) for gun owners really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) The PLCAA isn't terrible in spirit, but in some cases like those detailed in the article it is applied terribly. It probably should be rethought so that it continues to protect the good, conscientious dealers and manufacturers while not allowing those outliers to hide under its umbrella. Edited October 13, 2015 by Stugein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Sanders voted against the Brady Bill..so his support (a lot of the time) for gun owners really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Admiring the fantasy-world thought that the Dems might actually nominate a "socialist" who opposes gun control. (Heads exploding.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 https://twitter.com/AP BREAKING: Jury: Gun shop must pay nearly $6M to Milwaukee cops seriously wounded by gun bought at store.6:26 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 South Carolina 2-Year-Old Shoots Grandmother in Back With Revolver http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-carolina-2-year-old-shoots-grandmother-back-revolver-n443521 A 2-year-old accidentally shot his grandmother with a revolver in South Carolina on Sunday after finding the weapon in the back seat of his great-aunt's car, police said. The 40-year-old grandmother, who has not been identified, is expected to recover, according to Officer Mark Bollinger with the Rock Hill Police Department. The woman was shot in the back by the toddler while sitting in the passenger seat of her sister's car, police said. The toddler had found the .357 magnum revolver in a pouch behind the passenger seat. More from the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 We should wait till we hear the two year old's side. Maybe Grandma did something that made him fear for his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 http://www.theonion.com/article/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac-30860 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 http://www.theonion.com/article/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac-30860 Gorillas aren't a constitutional right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Gorillas aren't a constitutional right though. But jokes are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) We should wait till we hear the two year old's side. Maybe Grandma did something that made him fear for his life. From what I hear, the toddler wanted a lollipop, grandma said no, toddler kept whining, and grandma threatened to discipline the toddler for misbehaving. At this point, the toddler, legitimately fearing for its life, grabbed the gun and stood its ground. NRA says that the toddler was a hero. Update: NRA also contends Grandma was a responsible gun owner who needed the gun unsecured in the backseat in range of the baby's grasp for purposes of self protection. Edited October 14, 2015 by Burgold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 But jokes are. And so are "arguments" that ought to be treated as jokes. (But that aren't funny). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Update: NRA also contends Grandma was a responsible gun owner who needed the gun unsecured in the backseat in range of the baby's grasp for purposes of self protection. she was a foolish friend helping someone out with a ride that forgot the gun....and the kid was not secured in a carseat either no good deed goes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 no good deed goes.... Tough using good deed in any relationship to this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanboyOf91 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence Deeply disturbing conclusion. Edited October 14, 2015 by FanboyOf91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence Deeply disturbing conclusion. read it earlier, pretty good article.....people are disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/19/thresholds-of-violence Deeply disturbing conclusion. Really long read, and highly informative, at least to me. Does it lead to a solution? (I confess, I was wondering, as I read this, if maybe not publicizing school shootings might un-threshold, or whatever term is appropriate, this, is "movement" a good word? But then, I can easily see moral problems with the notion if mandating that the press not cover these things.) (I also wonder if maybe the same reasoning should be applied to things like what I think is a rise in Islamic terrorism. Are we seeing the same effect, in that situation?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Things will improve by not talking about them? By not being vigilant? I always heard that criminals prefer to operate in the dark? Most of the worlds' genocides only stopped after a light was shone on them. Are there some copycats? Is the flame of celebrity urging some to infamy? Probably, but that number is also really small relative to the overall number. In my book, this is phase two of "Stuff happens." First stage: is getting the public to say that there will always be a certain threshold of gun violence and that because of our free society it's totally reasonable and even acceptable that that level be set at three, four, five times the rate of other nations. The second phase then is, if it's normal, why make it news. It just depresses and scares people. It encourages the bad guys. Violence is inevitable. The only leavener we have is having a gun ourselves. Leaving people in the dark about what's happening in their neighborhoods is not a good solution. Communication won't always help. The incident with the grandmother being shot by a toddler who finds a gun above is not unique. I've read that story or a variant of it at least two dozen times. I have to imagine that somewhere though there are parents, grandparents, or others who read these stories and take them to heart. There's a part of me that always laughs at signs in stores like "Slippery when wet" or when a waiter points to a sizzling pan and says "Careful, it's hot." but there are a lot of idiots out there who don't think about the obvious and fall or do stupid things. When you do a stupid thing with a gun, the results can be a lot worse than burnt fingers. (Haven't read the New Yorker link in FanboyOf91's post. Just responding to another recent wave of blame the media. It's always fun to kill the messenger and a lot easier than acting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 This feels like it should be in The Onion, but nope, it's real. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=sm_fb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 This feels like it should be in The Onion, but nope, it's real. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/people-are-getting-shot-by-toddlers-on-a-weekly-basis-this-year/?tid=sm_fb Toddlers have rights too, bro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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