Probos Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's the thing with Hall. He already is hit or miss in terms of mechanics and adding two of the most debilitating injuries an athlete can get... Mannnn I'm nervous Hell I expected him to be in a battle for a spot before camp and now it looks like that he's already be guaranteed the job You're nervous? Even without the injuries the secondary was, again, going to be the weak spot of the defense. Just going to have to hope some guys step up and play well. The team as a whole is not going to be good -- I'm just hoping for some small steps forward -- DL and LBs look good so lets hope they can cause some havoc for opposing offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I bet some here would say our secondary was worse in 2012 when we made the playoffs. Madieu Williams leading the charge. Many didn't seem to like Hall... at that salary at least. Josh Wilson Pugh and Murphy. Mr Utilty Reed Doughty.... actually kicked ass in that playoff game on special assignment mirroring Wilson after he gashed us early. 13T 2FL 2 Hits and a PD. Haslett finally was using players to their strengths. BOX Score Make no mistake, we made the playoffs because Haslett unleashed the front 7 after QBs early in games, and decided enough rookies had embarrassed his passive base D and went after Foles. Suddenly the DBs did just fine. if memory serves.... those guys got shredded... but managed to tighten up in crunch times and crunch situations. THey were porous and gave a lot of ground, and then made some really big plays at key times. that is a strategy that is really really hard to replicate! (call it the : "no... no.. NO... NOOOOOOO.... YESSS! " strategy? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm not concerned at all about the really bad defensive players who are most likely to be exploited on a game by game basis as the league evolves further into a version of Arena football. Not concerned in the least. It's just you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleash the Meast Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm still wondering about Jeron Johnson. Everybody was hyped about getting him, but the starting SS spot never really seemed all that close. I mean, it still is good depth, but I think we were all hoping it was a numbers game in Seattle keeping him from shining. That's the problem with ES. Too many people on here get hype over every new guy who comes here whether they are good or not. If he can't beat out Nacho Libro then he obviously isn't that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sorry, I`m late to this party. Quickly.... can someone confirm if it`s been established that the author is, in fact, the only one concerned about our secondary. I`m dying to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Reparations Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Sorry, I`m late to this party. Quickly.... can someone confirm if it`s been established that the author is, in fact, the only one concerned about our secondary. I`m dying to know. There are only two things that I am not concerned about involving this franchise and that is Tress Way and Scot McCloughan. So put me in the concerned camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm more concerned about our primary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTskin Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I understand the concern, but here's the way I look at... Knighton- big upgrade Paea- upgrade Galette- big upgrade Culliver- big upgrade Goldson/Ihenacho/Johnson- upgrade... if for no other reason than it's almost statistically impossible to be worse. Moral of the story- all upgrades added. A lot of people say in McCloughan I trust. If you're one of those people, you need to remember, he drafted Goldson and Johnson. If there's anything this guy knows how to do, it's build a strong D (see 9ers and Hawks). Assuming the new guys, along with the starters from last year (Kerrigan, Hatcher, Robinson, Hall, Breeland) can stay pretty healthy, this D will be vastly improved. We have turned into a big, physical D, with much better depth. When it comes to coaching, we will see how that plays out. But, so far I'm a fan of what I see. Barry changed schemes mid-game to adapt to the Browns. Somethin Haz was always too ignorant to do. I realize that's a glass-half-full opinion, but I'm sure this D will be solid. This team will be good, but the season's success will lay on RG's shoulders... That's a whole 'nother talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Sorry, I`m late to this party. Quickly.... can someone confirm if it`s been established that the author is, in fact, the only one concerned about our secondary. I`m dying to know. Initial reports had promise, but in order to fully establish it its being peer reviewed before its inevitable publishing, which may also need a follow up study to confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 So, Brave, how'd you feel about the secondary against the Lions? I thought, outside of a bad lapse from Justin Rogers going against Tate in the first quarter... they were pretty effective. The rest of the completions were heavily contested. Thought it was a decent showing, myself. It looks to me like the plan, going into the season, is to apply quick pressure on the QBs to force them to release early, while the DBs and LBs keep everyone in front of them. So far, it seems like it's creating a lot of tackling opportunities and they're swarming to the ball pretty well. The hope is if they start really gelling, they could anticipate when the QB is going to throw exactly and get good at jumping routes. I suspect a lot of nagging early on this season about "playing off" and "cushions", though. My biggest concern right now is with their tackling, and not the WRs, but the RBs. The way we're one-gapping up front creates opportunities for the RB to get past the traffic real quick and into the second level in a hurry. So they're going to need to be really good at tackling in one on one situations. I fear the really good RBs in the league are going to hurt us considerably, especially early on. The positive side of it is we're going to get a lot more tackle for losses because of the quick penetration. But, yeah, that's the negative. RBs are going to be facing our DBs often. Culliver has looked great in that department. Ihenacho and Goldson have done well. The rest? Inconsistent to say the least. Amerson continues to flash and then regress. He's still frustrating, just hope all this patience with him bears fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Tacking was woeful BUT they played pretty decently. I know Megatron was out but it was still a nice job. Cautiously optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It looks to me like the plan, going into the season, is to apply quick pressure on the QBs to force them to release early, while the DBs and LBs keep everyone in front of them. So far, it seems like it's creating a lot of tackling opportunities and they're swarming to the ball pretty well. The hope is if they start really gelling, they could anticipate when the QB is going to throw exactly and get good at jumping routes. I suspect a lot of nagging early on this season about "playing off" and "cushions", though. My biggest concern right now is with their tackling, and not the WRs, but the RBs. The way we're one-gapping up front creates opportunities for the RB to get past the traffic real quick and into the second level in a hurry. I fear the really good RBs in the league are going to hurt us considerably, especially early on. The positive side of it is we're going to get a lot more tackle for losses because of the quick penetration. But, yeah, that's the negative. RBs are going to be facing our DBs often. Culliver has looked great in that department. Ihenacho and Goldson have done well. The rest? Inconsistent to say the least. Amerson continues to flash and then regress. He's still frustrating, just hope all this patience with him bears fruit. Nice post. I think the swarming mentality should give guys more confidence to jump routes (as you alluded to) - Dunbar was oh so close, and he's the polar opposite of a savvy vet. Getting Breeland back should help, due to his style of play as well as bumping Amerson down the lineup. Speaking of Dunbar... not really sure what to expect, but I'm super impressed with both his size and the speed he's made the transition (though far, far from being a polished player). Not the kind of guy you'd expect to make the 53, but I'm not too sure he makes it through waivers for the PS. I mean, it seems asinine to think a guy in his position would be plucked and dropped on another team's active roster (that would usually be the man crush talking), but I dunno in this case... I've tried to temper my expectations for Goldson, but I love that he's: A seasoned vet (but not over the hill) A pro bowler previously Back in a defense that closer resembles the 49ers D he had such success in Has a solid looking line in front of him Probably has better corners than we've had in a long time Probably the best safety we've had since Taylor Not gonna be all roses, but I think this unit has the potential to be our best in quite some time. (But yes, I have concerns) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Looking like deep fried ass thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSO Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yeah, disappointing show from Amerson and Goldson. At least no bombs were complete on them... but that TD to Steve Smith. Ugly on all fronts. Don't know what to think about this defense right now. I will say this, the Ravens were bootlegging and calling misdirection plays like crazy. A nod to our front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Our starting secondary has difficulty tackling. Say all you want about how the new rules have limited opportunity to practice tackling, but I didn't see as much of an issue from our opponents defenses. Unless our trainers wanted cleats with less traction to prevent injuries during the pre-season, we may have a year with lots of TD after the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Still looking like butt. Secondary was the glaring problem against the Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailskins94 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If you are going by the preseason....they still take terrible angles to the ball and can't tackle. Picking right up where they left off in 13' and 14'. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidskinscali Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 why we didn't take a peek on Jennings is beyond me.....solid corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Reparations Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Lets hope this is a start in the right direction: Duke Ihenacho has won the Redskins' starting strong safety job. He beat out Jeron Johnson, who was signed as a free agent after spending the first four years of his career in Seattle. Ihenacho is a "box" safety who started 18 games for the 2013 Broncos. He missed most of last season with a broken heel. Source: Washington Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'm always thinking our secondary is going to get torched... has been that way since Sean Taylor passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacks 'n' Stuff Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Amerson isn't very good. Remember that time when our secondary was horrible so we took 3 different DBs in the same draft and they were all busts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatteredFanSyndrome Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I am more than concerned about our secondary. I'm downright resigned to the fact that we won't get off the field on 3rd down and that blown coverages will have us facepalming routinely this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Thread titles like this are so much better, when it starts with "guys" and "im scared" is in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Wasn't too thrilled with how bad as Breeland looked last night against guys who will be looking for work next week. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brokenstriker Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Hall and Breeland are both capable of shutting down a top tier receiver ... and are capable of considerably less. Hall seems to need to be pissed off at someone or something to do it ... Breeland I'm going to guess needs to be told its all on him and allowed to play to his strengths. Obvious examples of both playing a considerably lower levels hoping for the best. I'm also assuming Culliver is going to be solid Not sold on Goldson yet ... want to see something special out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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