Skinman Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Asked about a players meeting this is what Champ had to say..... "Maybe it'll get done, or maybe most people won't feel it's necessary," Bailey said. "It's got to be mutual agreement. If you've got people that don't want to go, then there's no reason to do it." This is Why i know its the players that suck ass not the FO or Coaching........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Player's meeting are always overblown. Meetings are only necessary if something good or positive can come from them. That entails that the people in the meeting have the power to change something. Do you think it's worth anybody's time to go to a player's meeting if your agenda is to express a general distrust and lack of confidence in the coaching staff? I think it's one thing if a few guys need to be told to get with the program. But I think we've heard enough qoutes from a variety of different players to understand this whole problems involves a lot of people. A meeting might just exasperate the whole situation. Read Jon Jansen's latest column. I think that was his plea for every player to look within themselves and be professionals. Just my :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 What good have the players meetings done this year anyway? But yes, I will look forward to two draft picks for Champ. Now, if we only had someone to make the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Arguably the best CB in football .. one of the few bright spots on this team in recent years .. yea, what a bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Players only meetings always mean that they are getting together becuase htey need to figure out a way to run the team without the coaching staff. Nothing good EVER comes from them. Don't try to tell me the last few ones the Skins had were good at all........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinman Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 not flamming anyone opinons above just my :2cents: I say it is simple, if the team is falling apart a good teammate will try anything to save it.... And i dont see that in CHAMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Champ's in a contract year (it shouldn't be, we ABSOLUTELY should have taken care of this pre-season) and he won't do anything detrimental to the Skins... way overblown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythehair Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 We need to upgrade our D-Line but if we lose champ in would be counter productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 The've already had one meeting this year. What will another meeting do for them? Doesn't seem like they work. Probably because selfish players like Bruce Smith only want to talk about getting their personal achievements out of the way before winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitnskins Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Yep, SELFHISH.......just like with Champ Bailey and his contract. Some people on this board are blind when it comes to seeing Champ Bailey for what he's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSolo Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Perhaps it has something to do with who conducts the meetings. I recall Schottenheimer's first skins meeting coming after their 5th loss. The results were pretty good afterwards. Really, Spurrier doesn't exactly exuberate intelligence when he speaks, nor does he command much respect from the players. Bailey probably has as little respect for Spurrier's input at this point as anyone else on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by FordHQ Arguably the best CB in football .. one of the few bright spots on this team in recent years .. yea, what a bum Recent years aside, what he's done this year is be a selfish underproduicing average cornerback who is getting beaten like a drum by average or worse receivers on a weekly basis. Ok, so a playing slump is forgiveable,but it goes deeper than that. So far in the last 4 months I've seen Bailey not only spurn a generous offer (which is his right to do) but he also never bothered to call the Redskins back to formally reject it, then complained in the papers about the 'way they are handling things." Hmm,, one of the cornerstone players of the franchise is behaving this way. That is sure to help out in the locker room when young players are looking for guidance with their new team. When the team is down, does Bailey lead? Nope, he turns up his headphones and says things like "Some guys don't get upset about losing, everyone handles it in their own way." When there's a players meeting, rather than leading by example, he says things like "maybe it will work... it has to be a mutual decision..." Clue to you Chump. It's NOT a mutual decision. If any single player on the team needs to DECIDE to tighten up and play better he needs to be on the first train OUT of here. As a veteran and Pro Bawol regular, you need to step up and DEMAND better of your teammates. And if he's not the leadership type to do that, fine, but he needs to understand it is not a VOLUNTARY thing to play to the best of your ability. Bailey, for all his good past years, has dropped the ball MISERABLY when it comes to stepping into a veteran leadership role. Some guys aren't cut out for that, true. But he's supposedly the best defensive player we have and supposedly one of the best CBs in the NFL. Well, la-di-da. In my opinion one of the qualities that makes a veteran great is his ability to lead younger players or set an example for them to follow, and so far, he's done neither. It really sounds like he wants to leave, so by all means, let his ass go. You lay down like he has and you ain't squat. I read today that Bruce Smith has aired his grievances with Spurrier, and they have worked things out. Again, LA Di DA, the coach ought to tell him, gee Bruce, in case you haven't noticed we're trying to win football games here, and YOU CAN'T GET WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE QUARTERBACK. So we figured maybe we'd try to see if SOMEONE ELSE CAN. Quote Smith.. "I have personal and team goals I am trying to accomplish . If they aren't going to allow me to do that, they should at least tell me." Note which goal is first in his list Look here, you whining old fart. No one owes you jack dick nothing in terms of explanations. You're a PLAYER. Your job is to PLAY when they tell you to play and DO what they tell you to do. Believe me, we'd all LOVE to see you get the sack record Brucie, but good grief, at the rate you're going that won't happen til 2007. That is your PERSONAL goal you mentioned.... now as far as your supposed TEAM goals... anyone with eyes can see Upshaw is better at getting pressure now. He should be the regular starter ANYWAY if not for his penchant for personal fouls. So, if Brucie had the TEAM in mind like he said, he would BENCH HIMSELF VOLUNTARILY, and then teach Upshaw to play without the cheap shots. Spurrier needs to explode and take the reins of this team. He should tell every single player that whines to him or shows any lack of intensity at all to run 50 laps around Manassas. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 IMo, it is not Champ's play that some fans are disappointed with, more than anything it seems that his laccadisical attitude about the losing streak that is rubbing some fans the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Looks like Champ sees the light at the end of the tunnel. Free agency and his ticket out of this joke of an organization. I'm not saying that to be a troll. Maybe Champ really is just X-ing out days on his calendar till the end of the year, when he can start talking to other teams. Maybe he's tired of the revolving door at defensive coordinator, maybe he doesn't like Snyder, or doesn't want to be the 2nd best player on the defense behind Lavar. Whatever it is, I bet he starts talking to other teams as soon as it's legal for him to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 this stuff about Champ and his contract is nuts....he could be injured tomorrow and done for good. he has a right to squeeze everything he can out of the system. you just don't like that he has been public about it....crocadile tears...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSolo Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 As for Bruce Smith. Some players have bad attitudes, but they have to be kept for the athleticism that overcompensates for it, or vice-versa, although players whose skills are soley in cheerleading - like Shar Pourdanesh - aren't in much demand nowadays. Is there a single player in the league that currently sucks as much as B.Smith does when you add on and off the field negatives together? I think Snyder apologists underrate how much his infatuation with B.Smith breaking the record as a redskin is hurting the team. This has to be the inside joke amongst the 31 other GM's in the league, among other topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Cripes. You would think by now that we would know to try and find out if there was more said or in what context it was said, or at least try to get as much of a story before going on tangents. Or is it just too easy to take a little here and a little there and put it together in a way that just so happens to match a certain point of view. :doh: Everybody deals with stress, ( in this case from losing), differently. Man. Thank god it appears that nobody on the Redskins is responding the way some here do. Gads. From the Times. Where the quote comes from. Times blurb on meeting "Instead, the Redskins continue to be a national punchline, and that's not sitting well. "I hate it to death," cornerback Champ Bailey said. "The Bengals have the same record we have, but everyone says they're turning things around. I hate it. I don't want to become a franchise like that." For what it's worth, all the abuse seems to be bringing Washington's players closer. One of the most common sentiments expressed in recent weeks has been, "We're all we've got." "We've got guys with a lot of heart and great character," linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said. "That makes it easier. Guys aren't going to turn their backs on each other. They're going to keep fighting and hopefully use this losing streak to get closer to each other. That's all you can do." There was discussion of a players-only meeting earlier this week, but as of yesterday evening, no such gathering had been called. "Maybe it'll get done, or maybe most people won't feel it's necessary," Bailey said. "It's got to be mutual agreement. If you've got people that don't want to go, then there's no reason to do it." Despite the growing evidence of Spurrier losing his players, many Redskins insist they still have confidence in the coaching staff and believe in the offensive and defensive systems in place. "We started out [3-1] for a reason," safety Matt Bowen said. "We started out well because of good coaching and good players. And we can still finish well because of good coaching and good players. There's a lot of talented teams in the league that don't finish as well as they should, and we don't want to be one of those teams. We have a lot of talent, and we want to finish strong." From right here on Extreme page one. :doh: Get this: This is the first team wide meeting that has been called. Or at least trying to be. How about that? Talking it over "At some point before this Sunday's home game against the Seattle Seahawks, the players said they are going to hold their first team-wide, players-only meeting in an effort to increase their resolve to perform better, stick together as a team, and shut out the negativity that surrounds them." The difference of opinions expressed by players is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by fansince62 this stuff about Champ and his contract is nuts....he could be injured tomorrow and done for good. he has a right to squeeze everything he can out of the system. you just don't like that he has been public about it....crocadile tears...... I want him back next year. I want us to work on revamping our d-line next year, and keeping the rest of the players in the secondary and the linebackers. Keep things consistant in this area and add some DT's and maybe one really good DE to replace Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonsofwashington Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I think he is speaking for the players here. He never says he is against it. Whose to say it is a solution. BTW we pay champ for his ability not his opinions. I think that quote is just his honesty coming out. Turns cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 He just had 9 sacks last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 players are paid to play...true. you do have to take a step back and wonder if the craziness over the years has taken its toll. losing is not fun, is a learned behavior, and is extremely contagious. players are paid to play and they play to win. after years of losing, some will not see any end and therefore move on. can't fault any athlete for that. would love to see loyalty and him stepping in as a leader to help the team, but before long, it's very easy to become indifferent to these adverse conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Joke of an organization? Yeah he had a couple of funny moments too. I'm just getting sick of the blame snyder crap The problem is the salary cap makes it difficult to cut those that are stealing money instead of performing. Bottom line is that champ can be replaced If 18 million can help bring us a dominant D line then I wont shed tears if we trade him for picks/player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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