bubba9497 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Bugel says he dropped by just to 'chat' By Bob Cohn THE WASHINGTON TIMES http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20031106-121734-2813r.htm Joe Bugel said all he wanted was to do was talk a little football with some old friends and enjoy a chance to rekindle some happy memories. What he didn't want to do was cause a ruckus. "I am not a disruptive guy," he said. But Bugel unwittingly created a stir when he showed up at Redskin Park a little more than two weeks ago, invited by owner Dan Snyder to lend some advice to his troubled football team. "It all started with a phone call from Mr. Snyder," said Bugel, the respected former assistant who coached the Hogs offensive line under Joe Gibbs from 1981 to 1989. "He said, 'Would you mind flying here? I'd like to meet you.' I've been a Redskin all my life. The old saying is true. Once a Redskin, always a Redskin. "I had hoped we could just sit around and talk. I never met Steve Spurrier, but I have some friends on the staff, and if they wanted to chat I'd be happy to do that. I didn't have all the answers." Bugel said he was not paid by Snyder and was disturbed by a newspaper story that reported he was hired by the Redskins as a consultant. The story quickly spread, along with the news that Foge Fazio also had been hired as a consultant although Fazio already was on the payroll as a special assistant for personnel. "That was bad," Bugel said. "I was made to feel like an outsider [by the stories]. When Dan asked me to meet him, I thought that was a great gesture on his part. I never knew it would create such a fuss. ... There was so much coverage that I took a job, but that wasn't the case. I came as a friend, not to take a job. I came to say hello to some people. I felt maybe I could get a chance to meet the coaches because they had a bye week." Bugel said he arrived at about 10 p.m. the night after the Redskins' Oct. 19 loss to Buffalo, drove to Redskin Park and watched tape until nearly 2:30 a.m. He showed up about 9 the next morning, but not until taking a wrong turn and ending up in Tysons Corner. "I was all over the joint," he said. Someone who recognized him pointed Bugel in the right direction. After watching more tape the next day (he viewed the entire Redskins season), Bugel met with Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football operations. He also ran into an old friend, former longtime Redskins trainer, Bubba Tyer. "We had a couple of big hugs," Bugel said. Bugel discussed his observations with Snyder and Cerrato but makes it clear he did not file a report. Then he left without meeting with any of the coaches. "I think they had a lot of work to do," he said. Bugel said he would not specifically discuss what he talked about, out of respect for Snyder. "A lot of it was technical," he said. "I don't want to get much more into it. It's kind of a friendship thing, a private thing." When he returned to Arizona, Bugel finally spoke with Spurrier. "We had a great conversation," Bugel said. "I respect the guy. I really do." Bugel said he watched the Redskins lose to Dallas last Sunday, a game in which quarterback Patrick Ramsey ("he's tough") was sacked four times and again blitzed into submission. "If you're not good at picking up the blitz, the other team can't wait to get on the airplane to play you," Bugel said. Bugel said coaching with the Redskins was the best job he ever had. He left in 1990 to become head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, where he lasted four years. He also was the Oakland Raiders' coach in 1997. He said he loves living in Arizona and playing golf (he returned to the course just this week after knee replacement surgery in January). Last winter, he said, two teams contacted him about a job, but he didn't want to move. Still, at 63, he would not rule out returning to the NFL. "I miss the grunt work more than anything," he said. "I loved getting dirty on the field, my nose running, their nose running. It was a great time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Great article. Great, class guy. Write it down: Bugel is coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I like that last tidbit where he leaves open the door to coach again. You know he will be on the short list soon as Spurrier gets his walking papers at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I agree w/ ASF, Bugel will be the OL coach come Feb. He was more than likely sniffing around to gain interest, and I believe Snyder probably asked him whether he'd be the OL coach NEXT year. Helton is finished....we all know that. Snyder probably chose not to fire Helton in the middle of the season out of continuity issues...... and the media firestorm it would create for having the owner firing assistants. But it's coming down at the end of the year.... a number of assistants will be fired.... including Mike Stock, Helton, and potentially someone on the defensive side of the ball other than Edwards. Finally, there are two OL coaches I'd like to see, Bugel of course.... and Art Shell. I watched a segment on the NFL network in which Art Shell spoke specifically about the Raider OL.... he seems to know how to get things moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I want Helton gone right now....he is doing more damage than good....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythehair Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 What the fans want and what happens are to different things. It would be great if he came back. We need a strong line or Ramsey might have a short career. He is very tough but one can take only so much pounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 he won't come back to be OL coach...that is for sure. I could only see him as O Coordiator...and that's iffy.... SOS will be here next year. count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Now this is gonna turn into a story about Snyder interviewing Bugel for a job that hasn't even been opened. THen Snyder is gonna get ridiculed for that. We just can't won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by Cskin I agree w/ ASF, Bugel will be the OL coach come Feb. He was more than likely sniffing around to gain interest, and I believe Snyder probably asked him whether he'd be the OL coach NEXT year. Helton is finished....we all know that. Snyder probably chose not to fire Helton in the middle of the season out of continuity issues...... and the media firestorm it would create for having the owner firing assistants. But it's coming down at the end of the year.... a number of assistants will be fired.... including Mike Stock, Helton, and potentially someone on the defensive side of the ball other than Edwards. Finally, there are two OL coaches I'd like to see, Bugel of course.... and Art Shell. I watched a segment on the NFL network in which Art Shell spoke specifically about the Raider OL.... he seems to know how to get things moving. I agree with everything here. I don't think Spurrier is going anywhere. I think Bugel might come back and be the o-line coach but that's something SS and Snyder have to work out. Snyder has learned from past mistakes, which is why neither Spurrier or Helton will be fired during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDak Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 If Bugel does come back it will be as assistant O coordinator thus having more of an input than just the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Funny how this : Still, at 63, he would not rule out returning to the NFL. Was supported by this: "I miss the grunt work more than anything," he said. "I loved getting dirty on the field, my nose running, their nose running. It was a great time." And then that little hummingbird dropped by for visit and next thing you know he's going to be hired and so forth. Not saying that it won't happen, just that basing it off the above is a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 I love how the article made it look that Danny wanted to see his idol :laugh: So after your team gets their but kicked in by a pathetic Bill team, all of a sudden you call up one of your boyhood idols and have him come over for just a "chat" :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 It's amazing the extent that Snyder got slammed by the media for hiring two coaching consultants mid season. If this article is accurate, he hired exactly zero consultants - Fazio was already on the payroll as a scout. Snyder is determined to be involved in the personnel decisions with the team. For better or (more likely) worse, that is not likely going to change. But given that, I'm glad to see he's reaching out to good football people like Bugel, Jimmy Johnson, etc. in order to learn. But every time he does, he gets slammed for it, or his motives get called in to question. That must get tiresome for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Helton needs to go NOW!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapHaszard Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 One thing for sure, If Bugel wants to come back, and I pray he does, it would be a real boost to the offense. I would expect Ramsey would have about a century to hold on to the ball till someone got open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by NoDak If Bugel does come back it will be as assistant O coordinator thus having more of an input than just the OL I see him being the o-line coach AND assistant O coordinator. We need to get a few new coaches next year and I think these positions are where they need to be: Coach Name Coach Title DeChon Burns Defensive Assistant/Special Teams Kim Helton Offensive Line John Hunt Assistant Offensive Line Mike Stock Special Teams Some of those aren't major coaches or anything, but they are the biggest problem areas. Maybe Edwards too, but we don't need another D-coordinator. And bring in Wuerfful as a QB coach (That won't happen though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 First, wasn't Bugel and pettibone titled "Asst. HEAD coaches"? So what if his main responsibility is the OL. You can give anyone any title... Heck I've had my title change three times. the job is still the same. The title is only different on paper. Second, coming in to see "old friends"? How many "old friends" are in Snyders regime from the Cooke and Gibbs regime? I thought bubba Tyler was the last and he retired. So how many were actually at Redskins park???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 My question is WHY was Bugel watching all that tape? If he didn't meet with the coaches and didn't "file a report" with Snyder then what's the point? He may not have been paid but sure sounded like a consultant. The game is obviously afoot and there is more here than what has been published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 The truly amazing thing about this article is that it was Pro-Snyder and published by the WASHINGTON TIMES?!?! WTF? Since when has the Times written ANYTHING pro-Snyder?!?! Something is very wrong here... Is it raining fire & brimstone outside? I am still at work and cant get to a window... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 No..(looks out window), not yet. However while I was driving today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I always liked Bugel. He was an emotional Coach. I think he is also a motivator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Reading between the lines here, Bugel says: "I dropped by to see old friends." Then its reported that he watched game tape UNTIL 2:30 A.M! I wonder how many of his friends were up that late at Redskin Park? :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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