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The ball not being over the line doesn't matter. Take care of your own business. Don't depend on others for charity. In this game it's every man for himself. If the US came out with fire like they did against Panama and put T&T away early we don't have this talk. 

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Devastating for the growth of the sport in this country. This is a top to bottom failure. Failure to grow talent, failure to hire a legitimate coach, and not a retread who was fired for a reason, and failure to prepare for a world where Donovan and or Dempsey can't come to the rescue.

 

U.S. Soccer should be gutted from the top and the program should be revamped - since you have four years to prepare for 2022, might as well start now because keeping the status quo will have us looking at 2026.

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When your best players would rather play in MLS because they're too gutless to go up against world class competition in Europe, you deserve to lose.

 

I'll still watch World Cup. There will be plenty of great soccer, maybe even more so WITHOUT the Yanks as we always play some boring defensive crap since we never have the creativity and skill of other teams.

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1 hour ago, DC9 said:

 

Let me rephrase this... cause I ain't going to be up all night with you.

 

Do you really think that was the best 11 we had?

 

 

it wouldn't have mattered. This group aint that good.

 

The Pulisic generation needs to be put into the team now over the next 4 years. That kid in Schalke may be the first legitimately good central midfielder, along with that kid with Red Bulls.

40 minutes ago, Sticksboi05 said:

Devastating for the growth of the sport in this country.

its not.

 

THe kids play FIFA and love Messi and Hazard.

 

If the US does the right thing and destroys and rebuilds the entire footballing structure, this could be a great thing for the long term. Too many people are deluded about the USA's status in the game.

 

I hope this is the end of the Gulati reign.

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It's not dead, but it just suffered an ultimate revenue loss that could be in the billions. Pulisic  just lost a few million over the next year. That could translate to to 8 or more figures over the next 5. 

 

We'll never know if Klinsmann would have qualified.  Didn't look good.  His philosophy has born out to be the correct one. US soccer will be blown up. No choice.  There are only 3=4 players who will be around in 5 years anyway.

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10 hours ago, Gibbs Hog Heaven said:

Mexico's first loss the group huh? After leading 2-1. To Hondorous. 

 

The socialist who loves a conspiracy theory in me might suggest they purposefully F-ed you over and are currently laughing their dicks off at your expense. 

 

*******os!

I don't buy into conspiracies. This is a flat out fact. We all knew Mexico would lay down in the 2nd half.  We also know that concacaf is a 3rd rate organization geared to pushing the Central American teams in for some reason. Thus the non goal by Panama.  In 2017, with everything at stake, every pitch outside the US and Mexico is a shameful disgrace, the refs will not make a call south of the border and there is no replay. 

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AGain you don't count on the charity of others. Take care of business in your own house. I'm very upset about the USA falling behind 2-0 at first. Because if they came out there with fire and led 4-0 early, we don't have this ****ing talk. We're talking about finishing 3rd. How do you not dominate from the start? Did you see how many people were in the stands? They didn't care. You should have gone out their and beat their ass. 

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9 minutes ago, haithman said:

Bradley is the worst ball playing midfielder by 29 year old eyes have ever seen. Altidore is useless as is Dempsey. Tim Howard...woof. Blow it up top to bottom starting with Gulati.

 

 

Altidore not scoring for 7 International games hurts a few months back really hurt us, strikers are suppose to score.  

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We've papered over the cracks with some lucky bounces for years. The Robert Green Bobble, Donovan's late winner against Algeria, taking Portugal to the limit for a draw, Keeping it close with Belgium in the knockout round, playing Mexico (who we psychologically know we can play with) in the first rounds and getting to the QF and barely losing to Germany—these moments allowed us to gloss over the quality of our players.

 

Pure and simple, until Pulisic, we didn't have a player who could be a legit starter on a top club. We don't have a legit player, much less playerS, who could reasonably start with any WC semifinalist in recent memory. It's about the quality of the players. 

 

With that said, the future MAY NOT be as bleak as Twellman's rant puts it. We have more young players in european academies/U- teams than ever before; Chelsea, PSG, Barca to name a few. The MLS clubs have established their own academies and cover 100% of the cost of training and play (in most cases)—so it's no longer pay to play. Columbus Crew, for example, recruited away the head of Valencia's academy to become the director of Crew Academy. At least 3 MLS clubs have a residential setup for their academy. None of this existed ten years ago.

 

But Coaching Education, IMO, is still a joke in the US. it's too inaccessible and the content is too narrow. Now, it could be that that's similar to how Germany and Belgium did it: "This is what we want you to teach and this is how you teach it (to the various age groups). 

 

USSF is ineffective as a federation, probably not in the way most people perceive. Sunil has limited power. There are voting blocs of different constituencies—pros, youth soccer, coaches etc. The pros have the most voting power and they routinely vote for their interests as opposed to what's best for development. See diagram below. I don't have a similar one for, say, Germany but it's not that convoluted. 

 

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13 minutes ago, pjfootballer said:

We always took it for granted being in a weak region.  Maybe this will put a foot up their butt to make our programs better.  Losing to T&T was like Alabama losing to Division III Slippery Rock.

Not exactly. We field a team that mostly plays in a 3rd rate league and they do also.  The experiment that the MLS can help the national team is over.  The US is not soccer crazy enough to use our huge populace to our advantage. Probably never will be.

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We lack in areas but we just boat raced Panama 4-0 a few days ago and then lay an egg to the worst team in the hex, it doesn't make any sense.

 

We had a strong Copa where we again boat raced Costa Rica and then a month later let them return the favor in qualifying, just too much inconsistency.

 

I think a better coach gets us qualified, there's no way man for man Panama, Honduras, and Costa Rica have more talent, this was a mental collapse mixed with poor tactics that lasted the entire hex.

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46 minutes ago, Elessar78 said:

We've papered over the cracks with some lucky bounces for years. The Robert Green Bobble, Donovan's late winner against Algeria, taking Portugal to the limit for a draw, Keeping it close with Belgium in the knockout round, playing Mexico (who we psychologically know we can play with) in the first rounds and getting to the QF and barely losing to Germany—these moments allowed us to gloss over the quality of our players.

dont forget the Berhalter handball against Mexico in the 2002 World Cup that our fans forget about, lol.

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