Ancalagon the Black Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Norv: "What we do works." Spurrier: "We don't have all the answers...at this point, I would do anything to win the ballgame." Norv's tenure in DC was marked by extreme arrogance and self-confidence. He refused to alter his scheme one whit to suit his players, and he insisted that what worked for him in Dallas would work for him in DC. It didn't, and we all know what happened. Now it looks as though Spurrier has the opposite problem. He seems willing to take direction from anyone, and to modify his schemes based on press clippings (such as employing "max protect" without understanding how to implement it). Which extreme is worse, and is there a middle ground that would be good for the team? If so, is there any chance of achieving that middle ground under Spurrier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 From what I read in the WP after the Dallas game, Spurrier DID NOT alter any pass blocking schemes. Spurrier always talks about it after a game, but that doesn't mean he implements it in practice. Chris Samuels said that it was basically things as usual in preparation for the Dallas game. Which might explain why the Skins gave up 4 sacks again in the first half against Dallas. :laugh: After the Skins finished the game against Dallas with 16 running plays and 33 passes, Spurrier's postgame statement was: "In hindsight maybe we should have run the ball more." I read that postgame statement frequently last year when we still had Stephen Davis. I wonder how he came up with that idea -- after all we only averaged 6 yards per rush against Dallas. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Spurrier and that AW SHUCKS attitude is pi$$ing me off. I really dopn't think he has what it takes to be successful at this level. Like Shuler (just an NCAA QB) Spurrier is (NCAA ball coach) and it is that simple. The guy just does not have the professional mind set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsThug Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I am not a Norv fan at all, but I prefer his offensive philosophy to Spurrier's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Jumbo Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I'd go with Spurrier's reasoning over Turner's. Steve has much more of a chance to adapt with this mindset, as long as he doesn't believe everything everybody says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnydertheHun Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Do not ever, ever post He Who Shall Not Be Named here at Extremeskins again. It might draw his foul attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougWilliams Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 you think he doesn't understand how to implement a max-protect scheme? You think this is the first time he's ever used it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I went thru years with He Who Shall Not Be Named here tears, heartache and lots of tv/vcr remotes and Spurrier is no He Who Shall Not Be Named here Reviewing the tape, man, if our backs would focus on their assignments blocking that is and ramsey goes quick release instead of deep strike as well as cutting out the time consuming and momentum killing audibles things would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins19 Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 I think Steve had tried other things to see if they work. I just couldn't stand Norv and thought his coaching life here was way more than he deserved. The playoff year was a fluke and he should never have even been the coach that year because his teams were all LOSER's. Steve is not doing much better but I think that his rep is taking enough of a hit that he is trying to find a way to win before the jury officially decides he should never get another pro job again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Nor had 7 years to coach our team. Steve just got here....what the hell is wrong with you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big z Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Spurrier = (Turner - Running game) math like this makes me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 Originally posted by OURYEAR#56 Nor had 7 years to coach our team. Steve just got here....what the hell is wrong with you all. This is what I've been saying all along. The other advantage Norv had was he came with NFL experience. Spurrier is at least willing to change to be successful. The fans here have come to expect INSTANT success because of all of the unsuccessful Norv years. Hopefully we can get a couple of more experienced and capable assistant coaches. It will come....it will just take time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted November 6, 2003 Author Share Posted November 6, 2003 I'm not saying I hate Spurrier, or that he should go, or anything like that. What I am saying is that, up till now, his tenure has been marked by steadily decreasing self-confidence, and now he appears to be floundering about for solutions. I don't want Norv back, but I refuse to be afraid to name him (read Harry Potter for a good explanation of how avoiding something's name gives it power). It's far too early to say that Spurrier should go, but it's not too early to criticize his apparent willingness to accept advice from anybody and everybody. If he believes in his system, he should stick to it. That's the only way the players will buy in. If he doesn't believe in the system, why is he coaching this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythehair Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 The problem Norv had was he could not adjust. Even when he was in dallas, when ever 1 of his big 3 (Aikman, Irving or Smith) was hurt their offense had problems. When he came here he had no spark and still could not adjust. When we were losing I never really had a good feeling we could come back and win. Spurrier on the other hand is still only in his 2nd season but even as bad as we played last week we had a run near the end. It seems no matter how bad it gets I feel we have a chance to come back. I will take that over Norv anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted November 6, 2003 Share Posted November 6, 2003 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum Chris Samuels said that it was basically things as usual in preparation for the Dallas game. Maybe Samuels missed those meetings. That could be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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