PokerPacker Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 It was disappointing on every front. The fact that not a single impact Wii U game was announced tells me they are done with it. The Metroid game was a letdown because it wasn't what anyone wanted. More 3DS games, a Star Fox trailer (which was great) and finalizing some release dates. At this point, I don't even expect Zelda to land on this system. They pretty much gave Nintendo fans and Wii U owners nothing to look forward to after 2015 on the console. Not every year is going to be big, though. Last year I thought Nintendo had a huge conference. And I really don't understand where people keep getting the idea that Zelda isn't coming to the Wii U. It's been developed for 4 years to take advantage of the Wii U's specific capabilities. People keep clinging to the NX as a new home console to replace the Wii U and that Zelda will be on that instead of the Wii U, but it just doesn't make any sense. For one, the NX isn't even going to be talked about until next year, meaning it is likely slated for a 2017 release. And even then, who's to say it's a home console? The 3DS is a year and a half older than the Wii U making it a more likely candidate to be replaced. According to this writer at Forbes this is how the One will play 360 games...I underlined the emulation point. http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2015/06/16/how-xbox-one-backwards-compatibility-will-actually-work/ Those words are coming from a forbes writer's "understanding" of it, so I don't put much weight into the finer details of what that means; very likely could be that he knows the concept of emulation and associated it with the backwards compatibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 There are people already doing it on Xbox One as it became available last night to people who are part of an invite only "Preview" program. Doesn't seem like any major issues. Saw some dude running Mass Effect on his One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Those words are coming from a forbes writer's "understanding" of it, so I don't put much weight into the finer details of what that means; very likely could be that he knows the concept of emulation and associated it with the backwards compatibility. Well...Microsoft did have this on their Xbox website and then it was removed (per ZDNet). What is Xbox One Backward Compatibility and how does it work? Xbox One Backward Compatibility is an Xbox 360 emulator that runs on Xbox One and is used to play Xbox 360 games. If it's actually emulation, why are you calling it backward compatibility? We call it backward compatibility because gamers can play select Xbox 360 games on the Xbox One. However, referring to this functionality as an emulator is more accurate from a technology perspective since the Xbox One is not technically reading and playing the 360 game off of a disc. When will it be available? The Xbox One Backward Compatibility Beta is available starting June 15 for Xbox preview members. The program will launch broadly for fall 2015. Previously, you said back compat wasn't possible on Xbox One. How is it possible now? We didn't know if we could do it, but we were inspired by our fans, and thanks to the dedication and determination of a group of brilliant engineers in our platform team who developed Xbox One Backward Compatibility, we made the impossible, possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 The initial reveal trailer for UC4, I agree, but the trailer at E3 looks like an enhanced UC3 so I could see it. I only say that because I don't think the ps4 GPU could really handle that initial marketplace scene where it begins and maintain that frame rate. There were a lot of people moving around with their own independent animations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Well...Microsoft did have this on their Xbox website and then it was removed (per ZDNet).Interesting. I notice they're reluctant to call it an emulator, but do say it would be functionally similar. Emulators traditionally use a dynamic recompiler which has to translate instructions from one architecture to another on-the-fly. What I imagine is a form of static recompilation that maybe uses a wrapper to translate xbox 360 system calls and such to Xbone system calls. Since games are no longer programmed to the metal but rather programmed in a high-level language and using APIs and libraries and then compiled to the architecture, I would imagine someone who has all of the documentation on the libraries used for both systems could make a wrapper for the static recompilation. Have you noticed how even if you have the physical disc, it still runs from the HDD? That makes perfect sense if you aren't actually doing a dynarec but instead statically recompiling for the hardware and running that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 After reading that...I realize that I'd always be the red shirt on the away mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Honestly, they should just ditch the modern animus story stuff and just focus on telling great stories of Assassins throughout time. I assumed that was what happened with Unity and Rogue. The animus portion of Black Flag wasn't terrible, but it seemed horribly out of place seeing as it was only an integral part of Desmond's storyline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 After reading that...I realize that I'd always be the red shirt on the away mission.I'd be no safer than you; engineers wear red, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkeyBoy Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 And I really don't understand where people keep getting the idea that Zelda isn't coming to the Wii U. It's been developed for 4 years to take advantage of the Wii U's specific capabilities.. Considering the development history of Twilight Princess, I understand why people think it may be pushed back to NX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Considering the development history of Twilight Princess, I understand why people think it may be pushed back to NX.Except Twilight Princess came to the Gamecube. Also the Gamecube already had a Zelda game. Also the Gamecube's successor was already revealed (no, the NX has not been revealed as we know nothing about it and there's nothing to say it is the Wii U's successor). Here's Nintendo's track record: Skyward Sword: Delayed. Still came out on Wii Twilight Princess: Delayed. Still came out on Gamecube. Also came out on Wii. Wind Waker: Delayed. Still came out on Gamecube. Ocarina of Time: Delayed. Still came out on N64. Only one of the console 3D Zelda games I didn't see any delays for was Majora's Mask, which was made under the challenge of trying to release a new Zelda game as fast as they could by reusing OoT's assets. Consider that this is Nintendo's first HD Zelda game, and their first one with a big open world not confined to smallish interconnected maps. It took 5 years for them to release Skyward Sword after Twilight Princess, I don't see why it takes a conspiracy for another 5 years for this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 It's not just the delay its that the Wii U is already practically dead and Nintendo has nothing on the horizon to give anyone reason to feel good about it as a console. If it were still being supported, they would have had some games to actually show on it or announce for the future. I'm sure Zelda will release on it because otherwise, it would be the only Nintendo console ever without a Zelda release, which would be unheard of. But this isn't a good sign for Nintendo or the Wii U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 It's not just the delay its that the Wii U is already practically dead and Nintendo has nothing on the horizon to give anyone reason to feel good about it as a console. If it were still being supported, they would have had some games to actually show on it or announce for the future. I'm sure Zelda will release on it because otherwise, it would be the only Nintendo console ever without a Zelda release, which would be unheard of. But this isn't a good sign for Nintendo or the Wii U. The Wii U's not dead. It still has a bunch of games in the pipeline including Yoshi, Mario Maker, Star Fox, Devil's Third, Fatal Frame, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and of course, Zelda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 ***assuming the NX is indeed the successor to the Wii U*** I'm furious with Nintendo about the NX "announcement." I was stupid enough to buy the Wii U for Smash Bros (which I love, granted) but refuse to fall for this again if they pull the plug on the Wii U after 4 years while all the other next gen systems live on for 7+. It's absurd. I think the system has a lot of potential, but they're handling it all wrong. They need to own up to its cult status and give their cult what it wants. E3 offered very little of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 ***assuming the NX is indeed the successor to the Wii U*** I'm furious with Nintendo about the NX "announcement." I was stupid enough to buy the Wii U for Smash Bros (which I love, granted) but refuse to fall for this again if they pull the plug on the Wii U after 4 years while all the other next gen systems live on for 7+. It's absurd. I think the system has a lot of potential, but they're handling it all wrong. They need to own up to its cult status and give their cult what it wants. E3 offered very little of that. I don't know how much you are familiar with the situation, but allow me to fill in the entire context of the NX and it's "announcement". A few months ago, Nintendo made a deal with a company called DeNA (pronounced like DNA) that would bring Nintendo IPs to mobile phones. To quell any rumors following this deal that Nintendo was working their way out of the hardware business, they mentioned that they were indeed working on new hardware called the "NX", which they said would be a third pillar alongside the 3DS and Wii U (for historical reference, Nintendo also said the DS would be third pillar alongside Gamecube and GBA). They said that other than that, Nintendo would not be saying anything about the NX until next year. Come E3, it seems like they had to remind people that they would not be talking about the NX until next year. So if you have heard of the NX just now for the first time, they really didn't announce it at E3 yesterday and said nothing new about it that we didn't already know, which was that they wouldn't even talk about it until next year. I won't really consider the device to be "announced" until there is an actual reveal. There's some insight to be gained from their history of reveals. Wii U: Revealed April 2011, released November 2012 3DS: Revealed March 2010, released March 2011 Wii: Revealed at E3 2005 as the Revolution, released November 2006 DS: Revealed January 2004, released November 2004 Gamecube: Revealed August 2000, released November 2001 The home consoles all had more than a year after being revealed before they were released, and they aim for a Novemeber released. So continuing under the assumption that the NX is indeed the Wii U's successor, I see it being revealed Spring 2016 and not to be released until November 2017 giving the Wii U five years before being replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I got an invitation to do the Gears of War Ultimate edition beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endzone_dave Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm not a Nintendo fan so I guess I struggle with understanding why Nintendo has to release a new system when their top selling games are Mario World, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Zelda, Mario Party, Donkey Kong Country... How are better specs going to make those games better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm not a Nintendo fan so I guess I struggle with understanding why Nintendo has to release a new system when their top selling games are Mario World, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Zelda, Mario Party, Donkey Kong Country... How are better specs going to make those games better? I guess they are going a new system would entice third party developers and publishers to create content on it. But they never learn their lesson. They keep making these weird systems that only Nintendo is interested in developing games on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 One of the few games I've actually pre-ordered...but only because it was $39.99 to preorder it on the One at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 So the Gears of War beta is pretty fun, but the people you're playing with are so obnoxious. Everyone can hear everything, your teammates as well the opposing team during the matchmaking. I got a quick reminder why I usually mute random people and only talk to my friends. They are using the same maps from the original game, so everyone pretty much knows what they're doing. Apparently, there are people who never stopped playing the original too. The only mode available is currently team deathmatch. Nothing from the campaign is available so far. I don't believe Horde mode was introduced until GoW 2, but since they aren't remaking GoW 2 I hope they add it to this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Anything new from E3 on Rory McIlroy PGA Tour? Probably the next game Im getting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Here ya go. http://www.trueachievements.com/n20585/rory-mcilroy-pga-tour-e3-screens-and-trailer.htm Looks cool. Love those golf games. First one I played back in 86. Yeah. Things have progressed a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 18, 2015 Author Share Posted June 18, 2015 That looks like a good comeback for them getting back into the gold game. Really interested in the fantasy courses they can come up with. The Tiger Woods games were good but like baseball games for me, the super realism makes them less fun and they get kind of boring. I much prefer arcadish baseball and golf games, asong as the mechanics and gameplay are solid The first Mario Golf is still one of my top 3 favorite sports games ever, it was simple, creative and fun. Hope to see a new NCAA football game soon too If they can ever get the licensing and likeness straightened out. Just make the players completely randomized. Some crazy dedicated person will update all names, height/weight and skill attributes to make them fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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