SkinsGuy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Yeah, Gruden is having his post-practice PC. He wouldn't comment directly about Crowder, but said the league is dealing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 As a practicing attorney in private criminal defense, I can say Crowder has done everything right up to this point in time. He is either really smart (Dukie after all) or had good advisors/lawyers there right away.Assuming, for the sake of argument, Crowder actually did assault this woman (no reason to believe he did at this time), this lady did the following:1. Took pictures three years ago from this alleged event but never contacted law enforcement or anyone else (nothing to document what actually happened and whether Crowder was even in close proximity to whoever this female is on the date in question); 2. Presumably continued to date/have a relationship with Crowder for three years with apparently no issues;3. Held on to these photos for three years (ask yourself why would someone hold blackmail evidence against their "soulmate" for three years?);4. Decided once he had called it off that the World needed to know about this alleged incident, even though there is nothing to back up this claim that Crowder did anything. She has a motive to hurt him at this time.Crowder has everything to lose, and nothing to gain by discussing this matter right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 As a practicing attorney in private criminal defense, I can say Crowder has done everything right up to this point in time. He is either really smart (Dukie after all) or had good advisors/lawyers there right away. Assuming, for the sake of argument, Crowder actually did assault this woman (no reason to believe he did at this time), this lady did the following: 1. Took pictures three years ago from this alleged event but never contacted law enforcement or anyone else (nothing to document what actually happened and whether Crowder was even in close proximity to whoever this female is on the date in question); 2. Presumably continued to date/have a relationship with Crowder for three years with apparently no issues; 3. Held on to these photos for three years (ask yourself why would someone hold blackmail evidence against their "soulmate" for three years?); 4. Decided once he had called it off that the World needed to know about this alleged incident, even though there is nothing to back up this claim that Crowder did anything. She has a motive to hurt him at this time. Crowder has everything to lose, and nothing to gain by discussing this matter right now. Awesome analysis of why he was quiet. Now gtfo of here with rational well thought out explanations. There's no room for that here...this is ES...we must always assume men are guilty before we have evidence...where's my pitchfork... Oh wait...this isn't the Tailgate...carry on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 "accused on Social media" What the hell is that? Seriously, why is this even being bothered with? Did anyone make a legal complaint? I tell you what, i can accuse all sorts of people things on social media, and i can shop up some pics to back up every word of it. This is ridiculous. Call me when there's an actual complaint against him. By the way, i read on the wall of the port-o-john i was in the other day that Sally gives a good time, and all you have to do is call her number. Maybe that should be in the news. ~Bang I think it would be worse to ignore it because "nobody went to the police"... As of right now, things seem to be handled correctly: no charges, no suspensions, no comments, Crowder is at OTAs practicing, and behind the scenes the league and the Redskins are seeing what they can find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 As a practicing attorney in private criminal defense, I can say Crowder has done everything right up to this point in time. He is either really smart (Dukie after all) or had good advisors/lawyers there right away. Assuming, for the sake of argument, Crowder actually did assault this woman (no reason to believe he did at this time), this lady did the following: 1. Took pictures three years ago from this alleged event but never contacted law enforcement or anyone else (nothing to document what actually happened and whether Crowder was even in close proximity to whoever this female is on the date in question); 2. Presumably continued to date/have a relationship with Crowder for three years with apparently no issues; 3. Held on to these photos for three years... Wait, how did they find out these pics were 3 years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Wait, how did they find out these pics were 3 years old? You know somewhere profootballtalk is crafting an article about crowder and pics OF a 3 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You know somewhere profootballtalk is crafting an article about crowder and pics OF a 3 year old. LOL!... Assault is criminal. for the life of me i do not understand how you can sue someone civilly for committing a crime in which no charges were brought, much less proven. Civil court is to settle civil matters.. not criminal actions. ~Bang They wouuld not sue someone in civil court for the same charges that would be brought against someone in a criminal court, though. You don't sue someone for murder, for instance. So the charge of murder doesn't have to be brought up first in order to file a civil suit for wrongful death (ie: OJ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmohawk Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This thread is very caught up in legal analysis from a criminal justice perspective, but that is not the only consideration here. Obviously what we know right now does not warrant criminal prosecution, and I never said that it did. However, you need to examine this from the Roger Goodell "I have unlimited power and I am still trying to recover from last year's domestic abuse PR disaster" perspective. There are no real procedures or rights against self-incrimination in the Goodell process (obviously Crowder would still have constitutional rights, but exercising those rights would not prevent Goodell from suspending him if he feels justified in doing so). A lot of people are jumping on me for giving the alleged victim's Instagram post credence, but my context relates to the fact that it would not take much for Goodell to act. I am not trying to tar and feather Crowder, I am just taking serious allegations seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Wait, how did they find out these pics were 3 years old? It was brought up in the Twitter thread. Not gonna go back through there to find it but these are not new pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 LOL!... They wouuld not sue someone in civil court for the same charges that would be brought against someone in a criminal court, though. You don't sue someone for murder, for instance. So the charge of murder doesn't have to be brought up first in order to file a civil suit for wrongful death (ie: OJ). I know,, and for the life of me i don't know how "I was acquitted" isn't an airtight defense. "I wasn't charged" seems to be another one. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmohawk Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know,, and for the life of me i don't know how "I was acquitted" isn't an airtight defense. "I wasn't charged" seems to be another one. ~Bang "I was acquitted" is not airtight because the beyond a reasonable doubt standard for criminal prosecution is a much higher standard than the standard for civil liability of either preponderance of the evidence or clear and convincing evidence. Just because the higher criminal standard was not met does not mean the lower civil standard cannot be met. "I wasn't charged" would be more helpful because a criminal charge only has to meet the low probable cause standard, and if that could not be met then the defendant likely has a better case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I know,, and for the life of me i don't know how "I was acquitted" isn't an airtight defense. "I wasn't charged" seems to be another one. ~Bang Different charges. You can be acquitted of murder and still be guilty of wrongful death, for instance. So the acquittal for murder means zilch. Same with not being charged...just because you were never charged with 1st degree murder doesn't mean you can't be charged with involuntary manslaughter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 It was brought up in the Twitter thread. Not gonna go back through there to find it but these are not new pictures. I saw nothing in the tweet thread that mentioned anyone finding out the pics were 3 years old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This thread is very caught up in legal analysis from a criminal justice perspective, but that is not the only consideration here. Obviously what we know right now does not warrant criminal prosecution, and I never said that it did. However, you need to examine this from the Roger Goodell "I have unlimited power and I am still trying to recover from last year's domestic abuse PR disaster" perspective. There are no real procedures or rights against self-incrimination in the Goodell process (obviously Crowder would still have constitutional rights, but exercising those rights would not prevent Goodell from suspending him if he feels justified in doing so). A lot of people are jumping on me for giving the alleged victim's Instagram post credence, but my context relates to the fact that it would not take much for Goodell to act. I am not trying to tar and feather Crowder, I am just taking serious allegations seriously. Check out post 61 on why Godell can't really act on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmohawk Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Check out post 61 on why Godell can't really act on this. I am with you on that, but don't think that Goodell is going to simply brush off this already widely reported story possibly related to domestic abuse without further investigation. The investigation may result in bupkis, and I hope it does, but I do not believe the NFL is done with this one just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I am with you on that, but don't think that Goodell is going to simply brush this already widely reported story possibly related to domestic abuse off without further investigation. The investigation may result in bupkis, and I hope it does, but I do not believe the NFL is done with this one just yet. Im sure they will investigate it, but they can't really do anything to crowder while they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Check out post 61 on why Godell can't really act on this. On the other hand, he got so much heat for not acting on this issue or underacting on this issue just last year and has been given such a wide berth of power if there's any fire at all.. Goodell has to act and lord knows he enjoys the iron fist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmohawk Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Im sure they will investigate it, but they can't really do anything to crowder while they do. I don't know if I would use the word "can't" because the CBA allows Goodell to do lots of things that seem unreasonable, but I will hesitantly agree that he probably won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan44 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The old "my twitter account has been hacked" routine. Ha ha, yeah because he is such a high profile person so he is vulnerable to that kind of thing. Guess he didn't pay attention to Lavar Arrington's look of disgust in that cheesy domestic violence commercial. Somewhere Andre Roberts is taking a big sigh of relief. Rush to judgement ... my account has been hacked ..did you get the Taylor Swift Porn Movie link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xameil Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I am with you on that, but don't think that Goodell is going to simply brush off this already widely reported story possibly related to domestic abuse without further investigation. The investigation may result in bupkis, and I hope it does, but I do not believe the NFL is done with this one just yet. Wildly reported? I google it to see how "wildly reported " this was...last article was 5 days ago... That's some pretty tame reporting to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Things are looking better Still, I was a tad disturbed by some of the comments in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail4Life Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 So is Crowder participating at OTA's right now? Didn't see him the daily photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Califan007 The Constipated Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Wildly reported? I google it to see how "wildly reported " this was...last article was 5 days ago... That's some pretty tame reporting to me "Wildly reported" usually means the number of different media outlets that report on a story, not how recent the story is mentioned. At any rate, when I do a Google search I see stories about this that were published 2 hours ago, 5 hours ago, 2 days ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Things are looking better Still, I was a tad disturbed by some of the comments in this thread Never be alarmed by things in an ES thread. Just think about how apocalyptic game threads are like when we are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The media largely dropped the story. Prison escapes, brutal violence, and pool parties gone bad stole the lead story slots. Yeah for us, so far at least. The team just hunkered down and weathered the storm. There was no masterful plan, we just did nothing. We all know, the media drives what happens. if he was a well known early first rounder I think we would be seeing the media less likely to drop the story. The NFL does not give a rats ass about waiting for the legal cases to be resolved, and I half don't blame them because lawyers rule the land and delay cases for years on end. The media will just keep pounding away at the story until a better one comes along. The league is too concerned about their image, and will wait for no more than a few days of non stop media coverage, to make their move. Hopefully Goodell Mara and friends were on vacation and missed the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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