Bang Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 "accused on Social media" What the hell is that? Seriously, why is this even being bothered with? Did anyone make a legal complaint? I tell you what, i can accuse all sorts of people things on social media, and i can shop up some pics to back up every word of it. This is ridiculous. Call me when there's an actual complaint against him. By the way, i read on the wall of the port-o-john i was in the other day that Sally gives a good time, and all you have to do is call her number. Maybe that should be in the news. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedlamVR Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I kind of agree on the if this was true more would be known given how badly the nfl has been coming down on the likes of Gregg hardy and after the embarrassment of Ray Rice . The thing that still bothers me is this.... Anyone, literally ANYONE could have posted the images and the words ... Not only an ex girlfriend . ANYONE... And those words bother me too . They are very reminiscent of a domestic violence campaign I heard about a few months back - very reminiscent . (I think it was shelter or maybe who ...I cannot remember ) I would have thought the team if they believed there was a chance this is legitimate would have made a move to at least appear to do the right thing while things were sorted out and suspended him from the facility ... Still time has a way of clearing these things up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmohawk Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 No one here is really talking about criminal prosecution, or at least that was not my context. I am looking at it from the perspective of the Goodell disciplinary system, in which players can be punished not only based on rumors but ex post facto for things that were not even considered punishable at the time of the act. We know the NFL is investigating, and this "hack" only happened three days ago. I think it is too soon to say, "well we haven't heard anything yet, so I guess there is nothing to it," especially when the NFL is going to be hyper-sensitive about domestic violence accusations from a PR perspective. The NFL will come knocking on Crowder's door soon if they haven't already, and if he refuses to cooperate, then we know what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 By the way, i read on the wall of the port-o-john i was in the other day that Sally gives a good time, and all you have to do is call her number. Maybe that should be in the news. ~Bang As an ex-boyfriend of Sally, I really need to change that to read an "OK" time. Plus, she's really aged since I wrote that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Who the **** knows anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut0862 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 867-5309,867-5309 for a good time for a good time call I think that's Sally's mother Jenny's number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Because the only evidence that this is a hoax is his agent saying Crowder was "hacked." I am not assuming he is guilty, and I hope he is not. However, Crowder has not even publicly denied it. We have no evidence to say this is completely made up or in your case to say that because one time a stripper probably lied in Durham, NC that this accusation is baseless. In terms of pure reality for me, it is more plausible that this is real than it is that someone has "hacked" his Instagram in some sort of weird and unproductive revenge plot. The alleged victim has spoken. It is now Crowder's turn. Why is it his turn??? Why does he owe us/you anything? And why is it so incredible to think someone's account was hacked? Also, who said it was a stripper, or even implied it? It could be a simple scam/blackmail, a pissed off girlfriend, or someone who just gets jollies messing with peoples lives. Or it could be very real. You are missing the point completely. You said there were "many signs" that this was for real. My point is that's just not a true statement. There is one persons claim on someone else's Instagram account. Sorry, I just don't see how that is "many signs." If he is guilty I will be glad to stand in the front of the line asking for the full brunt of the law. This kind of stuff is sick, I don't care what his potential and NFL player is. But let's find out the facts. I know despite the historical high level of accuracy of social media, he might just be innocent. Let's hold the public persecution until we have the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 No one here is really talking about criminal prosecution, or at least that was not my context. I am looking at it from the perspective of the Goodell disciplinary system, in which players can be punished not only based on rumors but ex post facto for things that were not even considered punishable at the time of the act. We know the NFL is investigating, and this "hack" only happened three days ago. I think it is too soon to say, "well we haven't heard anything yet, so I guess there is nothing to it," especially when the NFL is going to be hyper-sensitive about domestic violence accusations from a PR perspective. The NFL will come knocking on Crowder's door soon if they haven't already, and if he refuses to cooperate, then we know what will happen. You seem to have a lot information that the rest of us do not have. What indication do you have that he will refuse to cooperate? Because he has not come out and make some big public statement? You know the first thing an attorney tells you when they take a case is not talk to anyone. Let the attorney do all the speaking. What action is Goodell planning? So far I have seen nothing from the league. Have you? I have not even seen it on NFL.com. With people like Chris weaseling and I know nothing from Shienola, trust me if this thing had legs it would be plastered all over NFL.com. They all hate the Redskins. What about the Post? Ried would love to drag Danny's team through the mud if he could. I agree this is not nearly enough data to suggest it's nothing. But it's equal to the amount of data we have to suggest there is something to it. I am suggesting that they are doing their due diligence before coming public so they have the facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Because the only evidence that this is a hoax is his agent saying Crowder was "hacked." I am not assuming he is guilty, and I hope he is not. However, Crowder has not even publicly denied it. We have no evidence to say this is completely made up or in your case to say that because one time a stripper probably lied in Durham, NC that this accusation is baseless. In terms of pure reality for me, it is more plausible that this is real than it is that someone has "hacked" his Instagram in some sort of weird and unproductive revenge plot. The alleged victim has spoken. It is now Crowder's turn. This is America. It's on the accuser to provide the proof. he doesn't have to prove anything, and if she has a case, she'll have her day to try and show it. just because someone accuses you of anything does not then put any obligation on you to say anything. The alleged victim needs to speak through the law, or there is no speaking being done. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrecker Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Has anyone thought that maybe- just maybe- that Jamison's agent spoke the truth? Maybe his account was hacked and he never hit anyone. Stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The NFL knows they have to tread lightly on this one. Move crowder to the exempt list and now you are setting the precedent that any accusation is cause for suspension until proof of fact or fiction can be determined. Imagine how many fake accusations would come out then from twisted fans, blackmailing ex lovers, or blackmailing hackers for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilandil Tasardur Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I just don't get it. If a guy hits you, you make a decision: call the police, or don't call the police. Going public on social media implies an ulterior motive. But I think the issue people have is that they don't know what "hacked" means. They're thinking some IT guys in North Korea breaking in with super computers over some conspiracy theory to destroy the Redskins. Hacked just means this chick knew his password...presumably because they had been dating. He dumps her, she goes public with the images. I think we can ALL agree that this is by far the most plausible scenario and no other scenario is worth considering at this point. NOW, that scenario doesn't imply guilt either way. It doesn't pass judgement on whether the pictures are real, or whether she's a money grabbing ho, or whether he's a crook who gets off on hitting women. All it says is that his girlfriend knew is passwords to his social media accounts before he dumped her. My wife could log in to any social media account of mine if she wanted...again, this is the only reasonable scenario. No, I think it's worth asking the following: If he hit her three years ago, and she took the pictures, but chose to stay with him because she loved him, but squatted on the pictures just in case he ever dumped her, what the **** does that say about both of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted June 9, 2015 Author Share Posted June 9, 2015 Looks like a bunch of nonsense to me, she shows what looks like a canker sore under her lip, why isn't the rest of her lip swollen? Bruises on arms?? Could be anyone's arms, and could have come from anything! In other words; he some how infiltrated the inside of her mouth, without marking up the rest of her face, and then worked over her wrist??? They don't even look like bruises, they look like rub marks! This could just as easily be a case of a woman scorned!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 'Hacked' in this context would just mean that someone accessed his account without his permission or knowledge. Which obviously someone did because why would he post that himself. It was still bad terminology though because an agent that is good at his job would be aware of the current climate and what a corny cliche it is to claim hack with any online issue, to some it's as bad as admitting guilt. A good agent would have phrased that much better. The hacked element is the least important part of the whole thing. Given the allegations, that really doesn't help much and makes Crowder look squirrely IMO. Did he or did he not lay hands on that woman, does he even know this woman, etc. Those are the only things that really matter. We can all assume he was hacked given what was posted, that seems a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I just don't get it. If a guy hits you, you make a decision: call the police, or don't call the police. Going public on social media implies an ulterior motive. Hacked just means this chick knew his password...presumably because they had been dating. He dumps her, she goes public with the images. I think we can ALL agree that this is by far the most plausible scenario and no other scenario is worth considering at this point. NOW, that scenario doesn't imply guilt either way. It doesn't pass judgement on whether the pictures are real, or whether she's a money grabbing ho, or whether he's a crook who gets off on hitting women. If she's a money grabbing ho, this wasn't a well thought out plan since he doesn't have any money yet. If that was her goal, she might've wanted to wait until he actually made the team first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 If she's a money grabbing ho, this wasn't a well thought out plan since he doesn't have any money yet. If that was her goal, she might've wanted to wait until he actually made the team first. Money is relative. what isn't riches to someone else is plenty to another, and maybe a fifth round pick is as high up the food chain this person could get close to. And there's the "i'll just do what i can to F your life up" motivations.. people are petty, and their goals can't be assumed with any certainty. The NFL should say that if this person wants the NFL to investigate, legal charges must be brought. See if there's meat to her claim. The timing is curious enough to make me think it could be something as simple as the Giants paying someone to distract the Redskins as they start to prepare for the season. One photo and one post is all you need to start a trial and get a conviction on facebook, and as we all know, people are just dying to hear all the facts and evidence before creating a massive stink over just about anything. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The NFL should say that if this person wants the NFL to investigate, legal charges must be brought. See if there's meat to her claim. Criminal or civil. As someone who has gotten hate mail (I suspect Bang has gotten more) it makes you look at these actions carefully. Some are very real and to be taken seriously. Others are just acts of cruelty. The longer we don't hear from her or her attorney the less I buy into her claim. If she said nothing, but her friends and family came out that'd be one thing. If she wants to go public with the pics than the shame element isn't holding her back. She should be going forward... to protect other women if nothing else if she truly believed Crowder was violent and a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Assault is criminal. for the life of me i do not understand how you can sue someone civilly for committing a crime in which no charges were brought, much less proven. Civil court is to settle civil matters.. not criminal actions. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I can understand the justice of wanting civil recompense for damages done to you intentionally. Mind you, I don't know that I can understand a civil suit for assault that doesn't include a criminal suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Money is relative. what isn't riches to someone else is plenty to another, and maybe a fifth round pick is as high up the food chain this person could get close to. And there's the "i'll just do what i can to F your life up" motivations.. people are petty, and their goals can't be assumed with any certainty. The NFL should say that if this person wants the NFL to investigate, legal charges must be brought. See if there's meat to her claim. The timing is curious enough to make me think it could be something as simple as the Giants paying someone to distract the Redskins as they start to prepare for the season. One photo and one post is all you need to start a trial and get a conviction on facebook, and as we all know, people are just dying to hear all the facts and evidence before creating a massive stink over just about anything. ~Bang My point though is he hasn't actually gotten a game check yet. It'd be trying to get money from a guy that doesn't have it yet, regardless of whether he's a 1st round pick or a 5th round pick. He's barely probably even gotten whatever it is they get for showing up at OTAs. I suspect the motivation is just to ruin him, rather than financial incentive. But if one team is paying somebody to lodge domestic violence claims against a player on a rival, that's 100 times more scandalous than Deflate-gate or any other thing people have been obsessing over. I can't see that even as a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilandil Tasardur Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My point though is he hasn't actually gotten a game check yet. It'd be trying to get money from a guy that doesn't have it yet, regardless of whether he's a 1st round pick or a 5th round pick. He's barely probably even gotten whatever it is they get for showing up at OTAs. I suspect the motivation is just to ruin him, rather than financial incentive. But if one team is paying somebody to lodge domestic violence claims against a player on a rival, that's 100 times more scandalous than Deflate-gate or any other thing people have been obsessing over. I can't see that even as a possibility. That doesn't mean that it isn't a position of power to put these pictures on the internet and tell the man "cut me 100K to go away, or you'll be cut before you ever see that first paycheck..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My point though is he hasn't actually gotten a game check yet. It'd be trying to get money from a guy that doesn't have it yet, regardless of whether he's a 1st round pick or a 5th round pick. He's barely probably even gotten whatever it is they get for showing up at OTAs. I suspect the motivation is just to ruin him, rather than financial incentive. But if one team is paying somebody to lodge domestic violence claims against a player on a rival, that's 100 times more scandalous than Deflate-gate or any other thing people have been obsessing over. I can't see that even as a possibility. I get it. But, not everyone is smart. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 No news is probably good news, but we need to be about a month out before we can breathe a sigh of relief. Only 4 days out, any number of things could be happening behind the scenes. One possibility regarding getting money, the woman posts this to demonstrate that she is very serious, but otherwise stays out of sight of the media and NFL. She negotiates with Crowder to keep her from coming forward. Crowder knows that he has zero room for error now, if she comes forward, Crowder is cut; there's a woman to match with the pics, game over immediately. However, if he agrees to pay her a sum of his future salary, she will stay hidden until things die down, and the posting is written off as a hoax. She gambled that the posting wouldn't be enough to get him cut, but would be enough to get him in a bind where if he wants to remain in the NFL, he needs to fold posthaste. It's a little overly complicated, but hey, we're not in her head, assuming there's an actual "her" behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Chris Russell just on 980 said everyone he spoke to behind the scenes with the team -- are not worried at the moment about anything being amiss relating to Crowder -- in other words sounds like people right now are confident it will end well for Crowder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Chris Russell just said on ESPN 980 that our front office thinks this is much to do about nothing and this will go no where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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