CSN.com: RG3 on Crowder: "We pray that it's not true" (M.E.T.)

[DogofWar1]

I don't think your analogy works quite as well as you thought when you typed it.

Well, it's certainly lighter than the present situation, but you've got someone doing something they're not supposed to, someone else having evidence, and that someone posting that evidence on the original person's own instagram.

 

Obviously, one is a contracts dispute, and the other is domestic violence, but I was trying to illustrate how weird it is that something accusatory came from his own instagram, as opposed to an external source.

 

Domestic violence goes unreported every day. In fact, I'd bet large sums of money (you know, if I had it) that the number of cases reported are dwarfed by the number of unreported instances of domestic violence.

Definitely true.  Domestic abuse is vastly under reported.  Same thing with rape.  Just generally violence against women is under reported.

 

On top of that there are often evidentiary issues when things do get reported.  From a criminal standpoint, need to get above beyond a reasonable doubt, which is very tough if someone doesn't act very quickly to preserve physical evidence, and that often isn't the foremost thing people think of once they're abused.

 

And then there's the fact that periodic false positives/accusations sour some within the system towards victims (stuff like the Rolling Stones article really hurt b/c it perpetuates the notion of, and gives a real world example of, false positives), so when testifying (which often is already a mental strain on its own), the victim often is "put on trial" themselves.

 

All this feeds back into the under reporting, the notion that you probably won't even be believed is powerful in terms of keeping people from going to police.  That and hoping for love/reconciliation.  Brain chemicals are tough to override.

 

If Crowder was involved in an incident, it's very possible it was not reported, and that no actions, criminal or civil, have or ever will come of them.

 

Of course, at this time we have pictures but no actual person, unless she's been identified and questioned behind the scenes. Makes it tough to determine the seriousness of the situation and if something is actually there.  This case could go anywhere from a false accusation to some long history of consistent battering; whole spectrum available.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Domestic violence is a terrible thing.  Of course, this matter is being taken seriously, as it should be.

 

I've watched Crowder play his entire career at Duke.  He was team captain, All Conference, and Academic All Conference.  He seemed to be liked and respected by his teammates and coaches.  I remember the article about his relationship with his younger brother who has down syndrome.  It was really touching.

 

I know none of the above means anything, and people can certainly be different than they appear.  I'm just suggesting that Crowder be given the benefit of the doubt until the process plays out.  

[Califan007 The Constipated]

You guys, Crowder is nowhere near getting ready to get a "huge pay day". And if this woman's goal was to get money from him, she very well may have shot herself in the foot by doing this...being suspended and cut doesn't tend to pay well.

[Gregpeck99]

I believe in the presumption of innocence ... I didn't see any elevator video.

[goskins10]

You guys, Crowder is nowhere near getting ready to get a "huge pay day". And if this woman's goal was to get money from him, she very well may have shot herself in the foot by doing this...being suspended and cut doesn't tend to pay well.

 

The rookie minimum is $475k/yr. Even the practice squad is $5700. When no one in your family or anyone you know really well has never made more than $15/hr then that's a huge payday.

 

I am not saying that's who this young lady is. I have no idea as all the facts are not available. However, I must again stress the class divide in Durham NC with Duke University and the inner city. It breeds contempt and mistrust. There is a certain lawless element you would not expect is a small southern town. City administrators are working to bridge that gap but for the time being it still remains.

 

Again, I am making no accusations of the young lady. For all we know she is also a Duke Student, comes from huge money and is telling nothing but complete truths. I am just saying again that there are way too many variables and nothing can be ruled out until the actual facts are revealed.

[theTruthTeller]

There are some huge gaps in information here which lead me to not take any strong position until more facts come out.

 

1.  Assuming that JC in fact inflicted the injuries, which I'm inclined to believe, why would somebody go to an instagram account rather than the police when they had documented evidence and apparently witnesses of previous injuries?  From the pictures, she can be easily identified, so the case will be going to the police anyway and the police will perform an investigation.  Seems strange.

 

2.  I can't tell from the purported victim's text if all of the injuries were from rough sex.  The fact that she took pictures would indicate that it wasn't consensual whether or not was from rough sex, and if it wasn't consensual, then it was not permitted in any case.  But I'd like to know more (from a legal standpoint, not a creepy one).

 

3.  When did this occur?  It was always my impression that players go into the NFL with a clean slate.  There are certainly well documented cases of extreme violence towards women in college that were let go by the NFL.  If it occurred before the draft, but came to light after the draft, is it treated differently?  And does it only apply to violence against women or would it apply to any sort of violence, drug use, or drug dealing?

 

4.  In an earlier debate on how the NFL handled Le'Al Collins, I noted that the NFL has put its players in a horrific position, whereby a single accusation (or in Collins' case, mere speculation by the press) without any evidence can cost a player millions of dollars.  This is what happens when image is more important than the truth.

 

5.  I thought RG3 handled this extremely well.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

You guys, Crowder is nowhere near getting ready to get a "huge pay day". And if this woman's goal was to get money from him, she very well may have shot herself in the foot by doing this...being suspended and cut doesn't tend to pay well.

Cali always brings the logic

Thanks sir

[Burgold]

Cali always brings the logic

Thanks sir

While the suspended and cut bit may be true... for most of us, Crowder signing a contract worth more than a million bucks is "a huge pay day." That said, I'm not willing to say she's a gold digger or that he's a brutalizer yet. I thought I heard that these pics were three years old. If so, that part seems sketchy in terms of the hacker's motivation.

 

Hopefully, the truth comes to light.

[AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy]

Why would she have to be a gold digger?  Wouldn't it make just as much sense that she would want to ruin him and keep him from ever getting paid?  

 

Again, nobody knows all the facts yet.  I just think there can be more involved in these situations than just an attempt at extortion.

[End2round2sanders]

Not a good start for the kid.

[Califan007 The Constipated]

The rookie minimum is $475k/yr. Even the practice squad is $5700. When no one in your family or anyone you know really well has never made more than $15/hr then that's a huge payday.

 

So all those times we criticized free agents for only wanting to come here for a "huge payday", they only wanted $475 K a year? lol

 

But even if we consider that a "huge payday", the rest of my post still holds true: if $$ is indeed her goal then she sure did come up with a ****ty plan.

[LaRonDontLikeUgly]

My biggest disappointment of this draft was trading back with Seattle in the 3rd and passing up on WR Tyler Lockett for this guy and Jones (who probably could have been drafted in the 5th).

 

Regardless of whether or not Crowder is guilty, reports out of Seattle say that Lockett has been their most stand-out rookie and already locked up the starting KR/PR jobs.

 

That trade-back will be Bitonio 2.0 for us.

[goskins10]

My biggest disappointment of this draft was trading back with Seattle in the 3rd and passing up on WR Tyler Lockett for this guy and Jones (who probably could have been drafted in the 5th).

 

Regardless of whether or not Crowder is guilty, reports out of Seattle say that Lockett has been their most stand-out rookie and already locked up the starting KR/PR jobs.

 

That trade-back will be Bitonio 2.0 for us.

 

 

Considering Seattle was 30th in KR and 25th in PR really all the guy had to do was fog a mirror to get the job. Also, he has yet to see any live action with full pads. These are basically walk throughs. Lot's of guys look good there. 

 

Also, you have no idea at this point what the other guys, not just Jones and Crowder, but the other picks we got from the trade will turn out. We may have gotten 2, 3, or 4 contributors for one.

 

I am not saying they will. I am saying let's see what happens in real games before making any proclamations either way. 

[shmohawk]

You guys, Crowder is nowhere near getting ready to get a "huge pay day". And if this woman's goal was to get money from him, she very well may have shot herself in the foot by doing this...being suspended and cut doesn't tend to pay well.

 

I'm with Califan007.  This is really bad, and many more signs point toward legitimacy than a woman scorned in my mind.  Her comment accompanying the photos was heartfelt and speaks volumes as to her purpose, which does not strike me as monetarily motivated.  I understand wanting it to be hoax and being biased towards Crowder because you're excited about his potential on the team, but don't let that cloud your logic because the odds of that are pretty slim, in my opinion.

[Xameil]

I'm with Califan007. This is really bad, and many more signs point toward legitimacy than a woman scorned in my mind. Her comment accompanying the photos was heartfelt and speaks volumes as to her purpose, which does not strike me as monetarily motivated. I understand wanting it to be hoax and being biased towards Crowder because you're excited about his potential on the team, but don't let that cloud your logic because the odds of that are pretty slim, in my opinion.

I still think this goes either way. Anyone can do a heartfelt apology and make it sound sincere.

If she is scorned then revenge doesn't have to be monetary...

"revenge is a dish best served cold"

[goskins10]

I'm with Califan007.  This is really bad, and many more signs point toward legitimacy than a woman scorned in my mind.  Her comment accompanying the photos was heartfelt and speaks volumes as to her purpose, which does not strike me as monetarily motivated.  I understand wanting it to be hoax and being biased towards Crowder because you're excited about his potential on the team, but don't let that cloud your logic because the odds of that are pretty slim, in my opinion.

 

 

Please help with the "many more signs" that point to legitimacy. What data do you have other than a hacked twitter? Instagram? account? Just because the words sounded plausible you are assuming he is guilty? Just because the words may strike a nerve and sound to you as sincere, does not mean we should abandon all due process of law.  

 

I have no idea if it's true or false. All I know is we had a social media calling out and since then nothing. Before we turn judge and jury on this either way, guilty or not, let's see what the facts are. If he is then found guilty then he needs to go to jail. But let's not put him there without at least allowing him his day in court.

[Peregrine]

It seems like there has been a lack of smoke with this fire...no news which to be honest I would have expected someone speaking out by now if its true.

[shmohawk]

Please help with the "many more signs" that point to legitimacy. What data do you have other than a hacked twitter? Instagram? account? Just because the words sounded plausible you are assuming he is guilty? Just because the words may strike a nerve and sound to you as sincere, does not mean we should abandon all due process of law.  

 

I have no idea if it's true or false. All I know is we had a social media calling out and since then nothing. Before we turn judge and jury on this either way, guilty or not, let's see what the facts are. If he is then found guilty then he needs to go to jail. But let's not put him there without at least allowing him his day in court.

 

Because the only evidence that this is a hoax is his agent saying Crowder was "hacked."  I am not assuming he is guilty, and I hope he is not.  However, Crowder has not even publicly denied it.  We have no evidence to say this is completely made up or in your case to say that because one time a stripper probably lied in Durham, NC that this accusation is baseless.  In terms of pure reality for me, it is more plausible that this is real than it is that someone has "hacked" his Instagram in some sort of weird and unproductive revenge plot.  The alleged victim has spoken.  It is now Crowder's turn.

[RonArtest15]

It seems like there has been a lack of smoke with this fire...no news which to be honest I would have expected someone speaking out by now if its true.

 

I'm in the camp of, "no news is good news." 

[Mr. Sinister]

It seems like there has been a lack of smoke with this fire...no news which to be honest I would have expected someone speaking out by now if its true.

 

Can't say I'm leaning either way right now, but I do agree that there seems to be little news/updates with this. You'd think that if it was cut and dry we'd have heard something by now

[tshile]

Because the only evidence that this is a hoax is his agent saying Crowder was "hacked."  I am not assuming he is guilty, and I hope he is not.  However, Crowder has not even publicly denied it.  We have no evidence to say this is completely made up or in your case to say that because one time a stripper probably lied in Durham, NC that this accusation is baseless.  In terms of pure reality for me, it is more plausible that this is real than it is that someone has "hacked" his Instagram in some sort of weird and unproductive revenge plot.  The alleged victim has spoken.  It is now Crowder's turn.

 

If you're accused of a crime the last place you need to be fighting your fight is in the media.

 

Especially if you're any sort of a public figure, like a pro athlete, that has millions of dollars on the line.

 

I have no opinion on his guilt either way, yet, but assigning guilt because someone doesn't publicly speak about an accusation is not a good idea.

[shmohawk]

If you're accused of a crime the last place you need to be fighting your fight is in the media.

 

Especially if you're any sort of a public figure, like a pro athlete, that has millions of dollars on the line.

 

I have no opinion on his guilt either way, yet, but assigning guilt because someone doesn't publicly speak about an accusation is not a good idea.

Once again, I am not assigning guilt.  I am saying that it is more plausible that there is something to this and less plausible that this woman is a money grabber or some other discrediting adjective.  I hope she is a liar and that it is a hoax, because it would mean that Crowder is not an abuser and that a woman was not abused.  But unfortunately domestic abuse is fairly common, and my first instinct is not to discredit and denigrate a potential victim.  More information is needed, and I hope that Crowder supplies it honestly when the time is right.

[SkinsGuy]

It seems like there has been a lack of smoke with this fire...no news which to be honest I would have expected someone speaking out by now if its true.

 

 

Because the only evidence that this is a hoax is his agent saying Crowder was "hacked."  I am not assuming he is guilty, and I hope he is not.  However, Crowder has not even publicly denied it.  We have no evidence to say this is completely made up or in your case to say that because one time a stripper probably lied in Durham, NC that this accusation is baseless.  In terms of pure reality for me, it is more plausible that this is real than it is that someone has "hacked" his Instagram in some sort of weird and unproductive revenge plot.  The alleged victim has spoken.  It is now Crowder's turn.

The reason it may so quiet and you aren't hearing anything from Crowder or anyone else is because we finally have a legit GM who knows how to handle these things and keep on the down low until it is ready to be spoken about publically.

I don't need to hear anything from anyone until they have all the facts in and are ready to take action (if any).

[War Paint]

It seems like there has been a lack of smoke with this fire...no news which to be honest I would have expected someone speaking out by now if its true.

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking.  I have no idea if it's true or not, but if it was true, it seems like this would've picked up a lot more steam the last few days. 

[Burgold]

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking.  I have no idea if it's true or not, but if it was true, it seems like this would've picked up a lot more steam the last few days. 

Certainly from the victims side. If Crowder's smart or has representation he's keeping his mouth shut even if he's a hundred percent innocent. His agent already did that anyway. Any more, and he risks saying something that could get twisted by a lawyer.

He may be guilty. He may be a victim. It could even be some form of in between. It's too easy for us to play "what if," but the evidence even in the court of public opinion right now is a bit thin.