Spurrier supporter!!

[Lavarleap56]

I know by writeing this i am going to get some heat from the majority of posters on this board however after watching all the games from this season over again im firmly getting behind Spurrier. Call me what ever you want to call me but i believe Spurrier will turn this team around but it is going to take time. Spurrier needs to be given the time to purge unwanted players from the roster and add the players HE wants. After all the coaching changes the team hovers around 500 on a yearly basis,at this point as i try and figure out what is going on the only conclusion i can come to is that the core group of players on this team need to be addressed.

The attitude seems to be that if it the players dont like the atmosphere of training camp, coaching systems, And coaches in general they cry and whine and eventually know that the coach will take the blame and be gone while they are still Redskins. Alot of the problem with the personel is that with the frequency of coaching changes this team has gone through they dont allow the coaching staff to build a solid roster and purge the idots,crybabies,and players that only want a check. Perfect example is Bruce Smith he would have been gone after the 2002 season if not for Marty getting fired. Spurrier has been a winner EVERYWHERE he has been as a coach and the G.M. of G.M.s is on record as saying Spurrier would be a great coach in the NFL in fact one of the best .

At what point do you just stay the course and see what happens obviously the quick fix from year to year has not worked. Spurrier on the sidelines does look dejected and lost at times but i think it has more to do with the players not performing . I believe this 100 % that we wont be able to turn the corner as a team until management begins to cater to the head coach and not the players. All the comments about Spurrier loseing the team and Blah, Blah i think is B.S. , the players leak information to the press all the time and want to remain nameless but if this coach has lost his team then why is Lavar Arrington going to bat for him and was in agreement when Spurrier called out his team??

look at the roster and tell me who really cares about the team and the pride of the Redskins as it is evident in their play??

Lavar Arrington, Patrick Ramsey, Fred Smoot, L.Coles,C.Morten,

Randy Thomas , I.Ohalate ,D.Mcants,Patrick Johnson, and Rock Cartwright. These are the only players i have seen passion and heart from all year and its sad considering all the other names on the roster. Lets check in with them real quick you have " I think i had a good game"and "pay me what im worth" Bailey

or lets joke with and help the cowboys up Trotter. I almost Forgot about " We need to look at the tape " Gardner.

I apoligize for getting of focus at times but Spurrier needs to be given the chance to make it work and make the decisions he sees fit .

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[Die Hard]

I hear ya.

I think Norv Turner needed better talent and it could've worked here.

I think Michael Westbrook just needed a better QB throwing to him and he would've become a perenial Pro Bowl player.

And Derek Hokie Smith needed another 2 years of rehab and he would've been our dominant left tackle.

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Here's what I'm getting at. Some people can see things for what they are. Other people take twice as long... sometimes it has to slap them in the face... but they get there. And some people can get steamrolled with the blatant truth... and will deny it. Either consciously or unconsciously.

And I'll put it this way. At the end of the 2004 season when the season is lost and you're finally ready to fire Spurrier.. the rest of us who didn't take half as long to figure it won't really give a crap. It won't be a big revelation when YOU finally figure it out.

[DjTj]

With much less sarcasm than Die Hard, I will truthfully say that I agree with you lavarleap.

Getting impatient and firing coaches at the first sign of trouble is exactly what has sent the Redskins into this funk we've been in since Snyder has bought the team. It would be incredibly stupid to fire Spurrier now; it's not like promoting one the asst. coaches would do us any good. Are we just going to forfeit the rest of the games?

Give him 8 more games at least, and if the team shows some improvement bring him back next year.

Even if it's true that Spurrier is not going to make it, it would still be a huge mistake to fire him right now. If you think Snyder is being laughed at now...

[Lavarleap56]

Yeah i know alot of people wont agree with my comments but its the only idea that seems to make sense to me at this point and time. Snyder has tried everything else at this point why not try to be patient and stay the course?? At this point at least then if it doesn't work we wont be screwed getting a new coach. Who is going to want to come here if we keep fireing coaches after one and two years??

[Die Hard]

I don't see anyone advocating firing Spurrier right now. I'm sure there's a couple of posters who've probably said it.... but I wouldn't take those posters seriously. And if they are truly serious... I really wouldn't have an indepth football discussion with them because they truly don't have a clue about the game.

Whether you want to call the last 8 games and audition or not is up to you. Some people seem to think there's going to be some kind of miraculous turnaround. That's fine.

And while those people collectively hold their breath... the rest of us will prepare for the bigger picture.

Listen, some people who are absolutely confident that Patrick Ramsey is the future of the franchise because of what he's shown so far... conversely ignore everything that Spurrier has displayed and yet are still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Some people see everything in burgundy.

[DjTj]

I like to believe that Spurrier will succeed. With my burgundy-colored glasses on, having the Ol' Ballcoach turn things around would clearly be the best thing for my team.

Of course, nobody really knows what's going to happen in the next 8 games.

If we go 8-0 to 6-2, we're definitely keeping Spurrier.

If we go 0-8 to 2-6, we're definitely firing Spurrier.

In between, we'll have some room to debate...

In the meantime, we can all keep our optimism or pessimism, but it won't really matter because we're stuck with Spurrier until the end of the season anyways.

Maybe it would be better for the psyche to prepare for the bigger picture, but it sure is a lot more exciting thinking the Redskins might win every week.

[Leonard Washington]

turn around this year or not, we need to take our lumps so we can get better.

if the offense could just beat the blitz. its so simple to do--block as many as you can and throw deep. the worse offenses in the league would BEG to get blitzed as much as we do. we just need to line up as if every play is a blitz and chuck it. teams blitz so much, we're bound to catch them. we just let teams dictate what we do too much. they show blitz, we change the play. we need to do what WE want to do and let the defense try to stop us. no let the defense do its thing and let us try to stop them.

the same goes for our defense. this bend but not break thing doesn't work for us. our linebackers aren't fast (sans lavar), they are physical. our cbs don't suck, they can cover. our safeties aren't both david terrell, they're two people who can find the ball. our defense has really hurt us this year by not just manning up and going after people. its not about the dline, they are only 4 guys. let those four guys occupy some people and blitz a lb or safety. bring in a nickle db and take out a lineman and blitz someone random. we don't try any of that stuff. we hope teams make mistakes so we can capitalize. good defenses make things happen and get in position to collect the mistakes.

[Chief skin]

Spurrier supporter, is that anything like an athletic supporter??

[prophet]

anyone that knows anything about should know that 3 new offensive linemen, a rookie qb, and a new rb takes time.

It will take all year for this offense to jell... but next year will be our payoff

Everyone wants to blame SOS, the scheme, or Synder.

But the truth is this whole offense is being rebuilt.... its almost like an expansion team.

Next year it will be different

[kve]

For all the breakdowns, I don't believe that we are not that far away -- I can see receivers open and some passes that need to be thrown. So if SS can convince Ramsey to trust the patterns and get rid of it to a spot quicker we have to:

a) play a little conservative inside of our 35-40

be prepared to accept the interceptions as Ramsey/recievers makes mistakes.

Truth be told, I could live with some more interceptions, rather this beating that Ramsey is getting (I guess "within reason").

one more point, SS is not Parcells (in case you haven't noticed!!), SS delegates more authority, responsibility and accountability to assitant coaches than any other coach. If SS is winning, he is a genius, when he loses he is not involved, losing control of the team, a college-only coach.

One more point. On offense all they need is cohesive blocking (maybe 1 or 2 new starters) and a TE. The backs are acceptable have proven that we can have an average running game -- with time, they can learn the blocking schemes. The QB/recievers seem to be set (although there is always turnover year to year).

One more point. On defense, all they really seem to need is one of two DL that can command double teams and wreak havoc. However these are hard to find. I actually believe that it might be harder to fix the DL than the offense.

kve

kve

[SkinsThug]

Any coach's offense could succeed if he were allowed to cherrypick the best players in the league at each position and add them to the team.

The question is, can Spurrier adjust his offense to fit the abilities of the players on our team currently?

[AzSkinsFan63]

Sorry Bud I don't agree...

Spurrier would have to do a complete 180.

He needs to watch film more..Game plan better.. Get more involved with the whole team and not just the offense.

forget trying to score big all the time. Move the friggin chains.

run the ball more. This will open up the big plays while taking pressure off your 2nd year QB.

I want a dedicated coach willing to put in the hours necessary.

hey if he does all that he can stay!..:laugh:

[Griff]

Originally posted by Die Hard

I hear ya.

I think Norv Turner needed better talent and it could've worked here.

I think Michael Westbrook just needed a better QB throwing to him and he would've become a perenial Pro Bowl player.

And Derek Hokie Smith needed another 2 years of rehab and he would've been our dominant left tackle.

======================

Here's what I'm getting at. Some people can see things for what they are. Other people take twice as long... sometimes it has to slap them in the face... but they get there. And some people can get steamrolled with the blatant truth... and will deny it. Either consciously or unconsciously.

And I'll put it this way. At the end of the 2004 season when the season is lost and you're finally ready to fire Spurrier.. the rest of us who didn't take half as long to figure it won't really give a crap. It won't be a big revelation when YOU finally figure it out.

Beautifully said... Die Hard:applause:

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Here's the biggest problem we have...I don't know if anyone knows of Spurrier's goal here in Washington.

I am starting to think he may be here to simply test his system. Not to win as many football games as possible for the Redskins. If that is the case, then he should really go after this season. If it's not the case, and he starts to adapt, give him all the time he needs.

[Awesome]

Yes, well said Die Hard. We can all be sarcastic and beat down the homers in perpetual denial that the Skins suck. But I'm curious, what do YOU think should be done?

[ktball74]

Everywhere Dick Vermeil has been has taken him 3 years to build. He is a Super Bowl contender in 3 years. Spurrier inherited a crappy-disorganized team last year while learning the ropes. This year he has a lot of young talent he needs to work with, and get cohesion from. This time Snyder needs to make a stand. The coach stays, and the players go. Get rid of Trotter and Armstead, and get better defensive lineman. These players are to used to coaching changes, and that's all I have to say. Spurrier should, and deserves to stay. Plus, if Snyder fires him, then no one will ever want to coach for him. It's a win-win situation for this orginization if Spurrier stays, and Snyder backs him.

[Die Hard]

Originally posted by MAP16

Yes, well said Die Hard. We can all be sarcastic and beat down the homers in perpetual denial that the Skins suck. But I'm curious, what do YOU think should be done?

Here are some things off the top of my head:

DURING THE SEASON:

- Run the ball. Run the ball. Pass the ball on 3rd and short. When you run the ball the first 2 downs - even if you're only averaging 2-3 yards per carry - you put the offense in manageable 3rd down situations (3rd and 3 or 4). Those are dangerous down situations for defense... because you can run OR pass.

Right now... the offense needs to get some 1st downs in succession. There's been no fluidity with the offense. It's boom or bust. It might work in a few years when the team has played together for awhile and everyone is on the same page. But it's not. At which point.. you have to execute the basic.

There's 2 philosophies to coaching. (1) To have a wide variety of plays and to use them all in an effort to be unpredictable or (2) to narrow down the amount of plays in your playbook but execute them well. A "good" team employs the latter approach... and works to the former.

Take the Giants for instance. The past 2 years... Fassell has scaled back the offense. And the Giants start winning football games.

Too often coaches are so caught up in the Xs and 0s of football that they forget the fundamentals. I believe that's what is happening now.

A respectable running game will do wonders for this offense. But Spurrier has to remain with it. It keeps Ramsey upright. It gives him a breather between downs. It brings safeties up and allows for playaction.

Cut out the audibles. Did you get the gist of Collinsworth rant about presnap formations? Defense simply don't go to the line of scrimmage out of a huddle showing the offense what they're going to do. So whatever Ramsey is seeing and audibling is incorrect by the time he snaps the ball.

And what is further aiding defenses is that the Skins are probably going on the same snap count every down just to cut down on false start penalties.

Go to the line of scrimmage and use the play that was called. Further, get the play in with more than 15 seconds left on the play clock. If you want to confuse the defense... use motion.

And for God's sakes... cut out the spread formation. They're blitzing EVERY SINGLE time. Until you have proven you are able to stop it... you stop calling plays from that formation.

Lastly, you got playmakers.. YOU GET THEM THE FRIGGIN BALL. You pass the ball to Coles 20 time per game. If you pass the ball 40 times per game... half of those should be going to your best receiver.

OFFSEASON:

- I'd give Spurrier until the end of this season. If the team makes the playoffs... then you HAVE to keep him. Anything short of that though... and he's terminated.

Admittedly, I'm torn right now on his replacement. I was calling for Parcells after Turner got fired. There's not too many other coaches that appeal to me. I like Cowher. I like Bellichick. Of course both of those coaches are currently employed and unlikely to be available. But when I have a candidate I'll throw my support behind him... and you'll know it But I'm not a big fan of Denny Green. And I was NEVER a fan of college coaches.

I might like Monte Kiffin. Or a Jimmy Johnson. Either one. I'm inclined to go with a defensive minded coach.

- In fact, I would replace the entire coaching staff. The entire Spurrier family, Helton, Stock, everybody. Of course, that might be a natural transition with hiring a new coach.

- Regan Upshaw and Jeremiah Trotter would be released immediately at the conclusion of this season. Trotter just isn't worth his contract and Upshaw annoys me to no end.

I'm suprised no on has mentioned it... but there was a play in the 2nd qtr of the Dallas game on an out pattern to the sidelines to Terry Glenn which he caught. On the replay... it showed Upshaw completely barrelling over Flozell Adams. He than took 3 to pursue the QB... then turned around and jumped on Adams. Apparently Upshaw had his own agenda of "making a point" with Adams which was more important than his assignment to get to the QB. Nonsense.

- Champ Bailey gets franchised. Though we accept no less than 2 1st rounders for him. If no one wants him at that price... he plays for us next year. He'll be auditioning himself next year if that's how it plays out.

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[DieselPwr44]

- Run the ball. Run the ball. Pass the ball on 3rd and short. When you run the ball the first 2 downs - even if you're only averaging 2-3 yards per carry - you put the offense in manageable 3rd down situations (3rd and 3 or 4). Those are dangerous down situations for defense... because you can run OR pass.-............ I agree totally but how do you suggest we do this when our 1st,2nd,third and fourth string backs are out and we are now auditioning backs?.......................

Take the Giants for instance. The past 2 years... Fassell has scaled back the offense. And the Giants start winning football games.

....This happens with the G-Men every year yet at the beginning of each season,Fassell starts out the same way with his coordinator calling the plays. Even the New York Press doesn't get on him as much as they do in D.C. Isn't this bad coaching? I bring this up because Hue Jackson is calling some of the plays here. Shouldn't there be a decision made that either SS or Jackson call the plays?...................

- I'd give Spurrier until the end of this season. If the team makes the playoffs... then you HAVE to keep him. Anything short of that though... and he's terminated.

..If he does get terminated,just who out there in their right mind would come to work for "Little Napolean". Whether we like it or not,I'd say we're stuck with SS for better or worse for one more year. As a Skins fan,I have to hope and pray he makes it,at least till the end of next season. People around here and around the league seem to forget that coaches like Parcells,Gibbs and Walsh only come around every 25- 50 years or so.

[Potato Sack]

Ramsey's definitely a shaken individual. He needs to get back to his form when we went 2-0 at the beginning of the season. He was pretty damn accurate.

[KevinthePRF]

What I'm curious of is why every single media and football person that was asked prior to Spurrier's arrival made the bold statement that Spurrier would eventually succeed in the NFL.

What happened to that?

Will all those same people please come out and now state that they were wrong and Spurrier will be a miserable failure as long as he's in the NFL?

[marsbennett]

Spurrier Supporter? Maybe that's why he keeps losing....He keeps forgetting to wear his!:laugh:

[Coach Williams]

Originally posted by AzSkinsFan63

Sorry Bud I don't agree...

Get more involved with the whole team and not just the offense.

run the ball more.

he said in a press conference he is now paying more attention to the defense ...hello hue jackson?.......as for the "run the ball more" you can't run the ball if your down by 17.....or down by 7 without any momentum for that case.....

[codeorama]

Good thread lavarleap...keep the faith, I'm with you all the way.