Sarge Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Check this out http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsdetails.php?newsid=398 An Open Letter to Osama bin Laden: By Chevalier James R. Reese, Grand Prior of the United States Dear Osama, We have noted that you like to refer to America and Great Britain as "Crusader states," and you have referred to just about everybody you don't like as Crusaders. We doubt that you really believe there are any Crusaders left, as we doubt that you really believe in God. You would not taunt Crusaders if you really believed in them, because you are a craven coward who cherishes his own flesh while admonishing your followers to blow themselves up. You are an infidel, because no one who truly believes in God would sanction the killing of innocent men, women, and children. Your actions show you to be both a coward and an infidel, because you ask your followers to do what you are afraid to do, and you don't believe there is a God who will condemn you for your vile actions against Islam and humanity. Osama, you have been wrong on both counts. There is a God, and there are Knights Templar who still serve Him centuries after the Crusades. This Knight Templar calls you a craven coward and an infidel. He calls you a murderer of the innocent, and a defiler of holy places. He calls you the favorite son of Satan, for you above all men on the earth have done your best to do Satan's bidding. Not only that, but to prove to the entire world that you are a coward and an infidel, this Knight Templar challenges you to single combat in the sands of Pakistan. I challenge you to meet me with scimitar or sword, to be pitted against myself and a holy sword consecrated to our Order-a sword that was forged to destroy evil. Here's the deal: if I win, Al Qaeda is disbanded-forever. If you win, then you can set the head of a Knight Templar on a pike outside your tent, and you can claim that you slew the chief of all Crusaders in the United States. I call you out of the shadows to face me-and to face your own fears. How long can you go on, hiding behind women and sacrificing your followers, while you-the spoiled son of a rich family-sit in safe houses and eat rich food? How long can you live a lie, pretending to be a jihadist when all you crave is to be the sultan of a new Arab empire, an empire will be secular and not Islamic? You could, of course, send your minions to kill me before that combat occurs. But if you send others to do your fighting for you, the news of your cowardice will reverberate from the Kunjerab Pass to the beaches of Gwydar, from Riyadh to Jakarta. It will be recorded in the history books that the great Osama bin Laden, the would-be leader of jihadists around the world, quailed before a Crusader, and cried out for others to save him. The name Osama will be equated with cowardice before a Crusader, and no family will ever so name a son again. You will be known as the "Cowardly Infidel" who knew that he could not count upon his personal courage or God to deliver him, for he possessed a belief in neither. We know, Osama, that this message will reach you. You can reply to it through Al-Jazeera, which is always happy to act as the mouthpiece for murderers. In fact, Al Jazeera can film the combat and show it on television sets across the world. You would be defeated before the eyes of millions, but at least you would have retained a shred of personal honor. You would at least have proved yourself to be a man, a goal that has so far eluded you. If I win, it will be a victory for all persons who believe in God and who know that the God of the Torah, and of the Bible, and of the Quran is not a God who directs the killing of women and children. If you win, it will be a victory for the followers of Satan-but Satan and his followers historically have not done well when faced by Godly men and women. My prediction, however, is that you will ignore the challenge. But be forewarned that your leadership will first be questioned in whispers, then in hushed conversations, and finally to your face. Your courage will first be questioned, then disputed, and then openly challenged. It will be the beginning of the end for you. Your own followers will accomplish what your opponents have not yet managed to accomplish, once they realize that you are craven coward who always runs, but never stands and fights. When we faced Saladin, we knew him to be a man of honor, a man who kept his word. He similarly regarded us as trustworthy, and our Order helped to broker a peace between him and Richard the Lion Hearted. It is known by all Muslims that a Knight Templar never broke his word. I promise you, as a Knight Templar, that I will come to you alone, a single knight amidst thousands of your followers. You can have me killed in front of your followers . . . but then, of course, your reputation as a coward and an infidel will be sealed for all eternity. If you claim that your followers killed me in defiance of your orders, then you will be known as a weak leader who did not have the respect of those he led. If you have me killed by treachery, you will have shamed Saladin and all Muslims who fought honorably in the past. Most importantly, you will have shamed Islam, because you have claimed to be acting in the name of the Prophet-and you will then be known throughout all eternity as the Anti-Prophet. A Knight Templar believes that to live for Christ is glory, and to die for Him is gain. Let us step into the arena, Osama, so that your followers can see what it really is that you believe. And, because I know that you are horribly afraid to die, I will offer you mercy if you ask for it. Knights Templar observe the rules of chivalry, and I tell you that it is merely your defeat as an agent of evil, and not your death, that I seek. As a Christian, I still have hope that you will forsake Satan and will follow the path of peace and love. And truly, no one who loves God can glory in the death of another human being. You can see that I offer you at least a modicum of mercy, which is much more than you offered the innocent men, women, and children that you slew by cowardly proxy on September 11th. I await your answer . . . ! --Chevalier James R. Reese I hate to tell ya dude, but he's under a mountain in Afganistan. Maybe you should rent "Weekend at Bernies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 979man Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Dear Osama,... We know, Osama, ... Let us step into the arena, Osama,... ...:laugh: These guys best pals, or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 979man Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 http://www.iht.com/articles/114902.html Meanwhile: Hitler also plotted to bomb New York John K. Cooley IHT Friday, October 24, 2003 ATHENS I was a kid of 12 in Mount Vernon, New York, on that December Sunday in 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. My Dad and I got the news by radio, in the middle of a broadcast football game. Immediately both of us wondered, what about Hitler? What would he do now? . At school the next day, Dec. 8, 1941, we were all herded into the assembly hall. We heard President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaim that the United States was "at war with the Empire of Japan." The day's drama was heightened by the eerie wail of air raid sirens in our Westchester neighborhood, and others in the metropolitan and suburban New York areas. "Must be a test," said Mom. The steady note of the all-clear followed in a few minutes. The radio assured us, yes, it was a test. Two days later, we heard the Führer declare war on the United States - radio carried most of the news, live, in those days. Our neighborhood sirens were forgotten - until New Year's Eve, when family friends from Flushing, Long Island, repeated to my parents a second-hand rumor: all the Army Air Corps fighter planes at Mitchel Field, New York's main air defense center, had taken off when the sirens sounded on Dec. 8. Part of the test, perhaps. . We summered in 1942 on the Massachusetts North Shore, near Rockport. We heard the U.S. planes and the booming echoes of depth charges within earshot offshore. Submarines, yes. But could Hitler's Luftwaffe ever reach our East Coast? Nobody really thought so. Conventional wisdom was that Nazi Germany's fliers not only lacked trans-Atlantic range, but that no German, from Hitler on down, gave this any real thought. . A rude awakening has gradually come for those who held that complacent theory. . Strong evidence to the contrary has come in articles in the respected German weekly newspaper Die Zeit. One, about the Hitler period, was published Sept. 17, 2001, just after the attack on the World Trade Center in New York, titled "Bombs On Manhattan: how Hitler and his military wished to rain destruction on New York." . The German author Jochen Thies has now turned his article in Die Zeit on Hitler's Luftwaffe into a book soon to be published in English as "Target New York: Nazi Germany's Plans to Attack the United States." . Thies cites passages in the diaries of convicted Nazi war criminal Albert Speer, Hitler's favorite architect, describing how Hitler watched films of Warsaw and London burning after Luftwaffe raids. Hitler excitedly shrieked his wish to see New York's skyscrapers "blazing like torches" under attack by a long-range bomber, which he wanted Willy Messerschmidt and other German aircraft manufacturers to develop. . As early as 1938, Thies discovered, Luftwaffe chief Herman Göring told aircraft industrialists that he expected them to produce a plane "that with five tons of bombs could fly to and from New York." It would make him "extraordinarily happy to shut up the arrogant mouths over there," Göring said. The plane Hitler and Göring conceived was to be the four-engine Messerschmidt 264 bomber, for which there were several designs . . Two prototype Me-264s were actually built. Each apparently did have enough range for round-trip bombing missions to the United States that they never flew. Their design was inspired partly by experimental trans-Atlantic flights by German four-engine civilian Focke-Wulf courier planes during the 1930's. . As for Hitler's plans, the Allies' wartime carpet bombing of Germany's aircraft industries led to the permanent shelving of the Amerikabomber. Nazi aircraft plants concentrated instead on production, late in the war, of the first-ever jet fighter, and on the V-1 and V-2 missiles, in desperate efforts to halt the massive bombing of Germany's cities and to strike the Allies in England. . So New York was spared. It took the suicidal and murderous air pirates of Sept. 11 to make Hitler's twisted dreams come true. The writer is a foreign correspondent and author. < < Back to Start of Article ATHENS I was a kid of 12 in Mount Vernon, New York, on that December Sunday in 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. My Dad and I got the news by radio, in the middle of a broadcast football game. Immediately both of us wondered, what about Hitler? What would he do now? . At school the next day, Dec. 8, 1941, we were all herded into the assembly hall. We heard President Franklin D. Roosevelt proclaim that the United States was "at war with the Empire of Japan." The day's drama was heightened by the eerie wail of air raid sirens in our Westchester neighborhood, and others in the metropolitan and suburban New York areas. "Must be a test," said Mom. The steady note of the all-clear followed in a few minutes. The radio assured us, yes, it was a test. Two days later, we heard the Führer declare war on the United States - radio carried most of the news, live, in those days. Our neighborhood sirens were forgotten - until New Year's Eve, when family friends from Flushing, Long Island, repeated to my parents a second-hand rumor: all the Army Air Corps fighter planes at Mitchel Field, New York's main air defense center, had taken off when the sirens sounded on Dec. 8. Part of the test, perhaps. . We summered in 1942 on the Massachusetts North Shore, near Rockport. We heard the U.S. planes and the booming echoes of depth charges within earshot offshore. Submarines, yes. But could Hitler's Luftwaffe ever reach our East Coast? Nobody really thought so. Conventional wisdom was that Nazi Germany's fliers not only lacked trans-Atlantic range, but that no German, from Hitler on down, gave this any real thought. . A rude awakening has gradually come for those who held that complacent theory. . Strong evidence to the contrary has come in articles in the respected German weekly newspaper Die Zeit. One, about the Hitler period, was published Sept. 17, 2001, just after the attack on the World Trade Center in New York, titled "Bombs On Manhattan: how Hitler and his military wished to rain destruction on New York." . The German author Jochen Thies has now turned his article in Die Zeit on Hitler's Luftwaffe into a book soon to be published in English as "Target New York: Nazi Germany's Plans to Attack the United States." . Thies cites passages in the diaries of convicted Nazi war criminal Albert Speer, Hitler's favorite architect, describing how Hitler watched films of Warsaw and London burning after Luftwaffe raids. Hitler excitedly shrieked his wish to see New York's skyscrapers "blazing like torches" under attack by a long-range bomber, which he wanted Willy Messerschmidt and other German aircraft manufacturers to develop. . As early as 1938, Thies discovered, Luftwaffe chief Herman Göring told aircraft industrialists that he expected them to produce a plane "that with five tons of bombs could fly to and from New York." It would make him "extraordinarily happy to shut up the arrogant mouths over there," Göring said. The plane Hitler and Göring conceived was to be the four-engine Messerschmidt 264 bomber, for which there were several designs . . Two prototype Me-264s were actually built. Each apparently did have enough range for round-trip bombing missions to the United States that they never flew. Their design was inspired partly by experimental trans-Atlantic flights by German four-engine civilian Focke-Wulf courier planes during the 1930's. . As for Hitler's plans, the Allies' wartime carpet bombing of Germany's aircraft industries led to the permanent shelving of the Amerikabomber. Nazi aircraft plants concentrated instead on production, late in the war, of the first-ever jet fighter, and on the V-1 and V-2 missiles, in desperate efforts to halt the massive bombing of Germany's cities and to strike the Allies in England. . So New York was spared. It took the suicidal and murderous air pirates of Sept. 11 to make Hitler's twisted dreams come true. The writer is a foreign correspondent and author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 I'd sure like to find the guy so we don't have to waste the postage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 979 - Did you know our Stealth Bombers were actually based on Nazi prototypes? Yep, the Germans began developing Stealth technology back in the 40s, but luckily we beat them before they finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Originally posted by riggo-toni 979 - Did you know our Stealth Bombers were actually based on Nazi prototypes? Yep, the Germans began developing Stealth technology back in the 40s, but luckily we beat them before they finished. 1) Our stealth technology is based on a paper written by a Russian mathematician. 2) We had a flying wing bomber LONG before you ever saw the B-2 bomber. It was the Northrop YB-49 Flying wing. People tend to over-dramatize some of what the Germans were working on at the time. There's also the slightly earlier YB-35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 979man Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Interesting. Also, one of the principal rocket engineers who developed the above mentioned V-2 rockets for the Germans was Dr. Werner Von Braun. He dreamt of building missiles which would be sent to space but was recruited for the war effort. Supposedly, when the first V-2 hit London von Braun said that, "The rocket worked perfectly except for landing on the wrong planet" ... After the Allied forces' victory he was brought to the US, together with quite a few other ex-Nazi scientists, and together they pretty much put the US on track in the Space-Race. read more on this here or just watch Tom Hanks's "From the Earth to the Moon" :hump: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 979, is "From the Earth to the Moon" good? It seemed interesting but I never got around to watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 979man Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Originally posted by speedwagon20 979, is "From the Earth to the Moon" good? It seemed interesting but I never got around to watching it. It was well made, had great actors and of course - stories. What I really liked was that each chapter was filmed with different direction, had different perspectives and points of focus, different style . And - you could watch each one regardless to whether you've seen the previous one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulInVirginia Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 What movie does this quote come from? "Oh, I see. What we got here is a crusader." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryman of the North Posted November 5, 2003 Share Posted November 5, 2003 979 i read somewhere that there is an airplane wreck in the high arctic and that it may have been an ill fated bomber sent to bomb the US. and about the crusader guy that is funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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